8/22/2026 at 7:27:46 AM
Entertaining and educational historical narrative, much of it was new to me. The main idea is that kings of Siam willingly and actively embraced European culture and modernization efforts, unlike other countries in Asia which resisted and implemented them reactively, often by force.This included imposing unified national language and cultural homogeneity across their territory, with centralized government, laws, administration. The other side of that is the suppression of regional languages and culture, as it happened during European nation-building with Welsh, Gaelic, Breton, Occitan, Alsatian, German and Italian dialects. Similarly in China, Japan, and elsewhere.
The building of telegraph lines, railways, and schools helped solidify nation state authority. I wonder how that relates to the internet, as a tool of communication as well as social control and centralizing power.
A way to summarize how Thailand resisted colonization is that it colonized itself, and successfully adapted culturally to the wave of Europeanization and modern global order of nation states.
by lioeters
8/22/2026 at 3:22:01 PM
> A way to summarize how Thailand resisted colonization is that it colonized itself, and successfully adapted culturally to the wave of Europeanization and modern global order of nation states.That feels true only inasmuch as adapting a bit to the realities of the nineteeth century and strengthening the state is synonymous with colonization, which I don't think it is really.
Thailand remained an absolute monarchy throughout the colonial period, studiously avoided converting to Christianity, wide adoption of European languages or even orthography, and did not become a major trade partner even after signing agreements favourable to Europeans. It abolished serfdom and introduced national education and railways at its own pace decades after the initial trade agreement and its culture remained rural and Buddhist. Modern international Bangkok and its financial centre is the result of changes that took place long after the colonial era, built around palaces, temples and canals that predated it.
The article downplays that Thais were also more powerful than their Lao or Cambodian neighbours to the point they treated them like colonies themselves (hence why the French could claim to be "protectors" of Laos, and why their colonizing of Laos and Cambodia was a defeat for Siam, but not a critical one). So its not surprising they were able to command more respect from Europeans, particularly when they were pragmatic and diplomatic enough to give those de facto colonies up to the more powerful colonizer. The parts of Siam that stayed independent to become modern day Thailand also formed a neat buffer between what was French Indochina and English India/Burma
by notahacker
8/22/2026 at 8:08:39 PM
However:The European colonial powers were not all over the world to enforce "European cultural values". They were there to extract minerals, lumber, labor, and agricultural produce for as little a price they could pay.
by profsummergig
8/23/2026 at 7:09:52 AM
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Brita...Also,
Napier enforced the British prohibition of suttee, or sati practice. This was the custom of a widow's burning herself to death on the funeral pyre of her husband. While rarer during the time Napier ruled Sindh,[20] these immolations were, Napier judged, motivated by profits for the priests; when told of an actual sati about to take place, he informed those involved that he would stop the sacrifice. The priests complained that this was a customary religious rite, and that customs of a nation should be respected. As recounted by his brother William, he famously replied:
Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Napier_(British_Army_o...
by Gud
8/24/2026 at 8:50:43 PM
I forgot to mention another reason earlier: Rape. European colonial powers were also all over the world so that their men could have easy access to rape without consequences. (Read up, e.g., Columbus' diaries.)by profsummergig
8/23/2026 at 4:23:46 PM
I'm sure that after General Dyer gave the orders to fire at a bunch of defenseless people (including women and children), he faced a shooting squad himself. Or when Churchill starved Bengal, he passed away from lack of nutrition. Or when the British-controlled police beat up non-violent protesters with steel-tipped rods, they also got a dose of the baton. Or when the survivors of the 3.5 million strong who served in both the world wars for the British returned, when they didn't get anything in return, common British soldiers suffered the same fate.Nobody's denying the subcontinent had its faults. But holding a few instances of positive work by the British doesn't nullify the millionfold negative stuff.
I'm not going to give you sources. You can research on your own. Every bit of British history in the subcontinent shows that the "customs" were nothing but a ruse to justify the loot and a fig leaf, at best, to cover up quite a lot of injustice.
by soundward
8/22/2026 at 2:23:12 PM
It very definitely patterned its behavior on colonizer to survive - even becoming a local-sphere colonizer itself, interestingly. Definitely a case of "if you can't beat 'em, (temporarily) join 'em."by PeterHolzwarth
8/22/2026 at 3:15:12 PM
Why did you state temporarily?by HappyPanacea
8/22/2026 at 5:57:36 PM
Because we’re discussing civilizations and cultures whose histories stretch back millennia. The European colonial project lasted about a hundred years, and we’re still in the early days of the aftermath given the timeframes we’re discussing. When we’re as far from the present moment as the kingdom described on the stele in the article was from the moment of its discovery, we can talk about the durability of any of this, but at the moment, any impression of permanence is the myopia of the present.by roughly
8/22/2026 at 6:21:01 PM
From what you write it appears to me that you have never been to Thailand.by raffael_de
8/22/2026 at 12:49:22 PM
Japan did the same. And its colonies (Taiwan, Korea) became similar sucesses inheriting the institutions and infrastructure.by cineticdaffodil
8/22/2026 at 5:52:00 PM
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