alt.hn

8/16/2026 at 12:22:20 PM

Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

 https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22kidney+disappointment%22

by Alifatisk

8/16/2026 at 1:26:58 PM

Nothing beats when, in a chemistry paper, AI paraphrased „the final solution” into „the mass killing of an ethnic group”.

“Subsequently, 1 mL of the mass killing of an ethnic group was opposed to 20 mL of the skin sample and unprotected to light for 7 min.”

From: https://bsky.app/profile/forbetterscience.bsky.social/post/3...

by stared

8/16/2026 at 1:55:25 PM

How about "lactose bigotry" instead of "lactose intolerance" https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22lactose+bigotry%22

by Alifatisk

8/16/2026 at 2:38:00 PM

TIL I'm a lactose bigot

by morkalork

8/16/2026 at 3:35:34 PM

We all are, at some level.

by iambateman

8/16/2026 at 9:20:56 PM

Speak for yourself, I don't see dairy.

by Andrex

8/16/2026 at 11:30:59 PM

Sounds like discrimination to me.

by LoganDark

8/17/2026 at 6:40:15 AM

Discreamination FTFY

by petersumskas

8/17/2026 at 8:44:40 AM

I all are, at some level

by weego

8/17/2026 at 7:41:19 AM

I have nothing against lactose but...

by pazqo

8/18/2026 at 12:46:31 PM

Some of my best friends are lactose.

by hackeraccount

8/16/2026 at 5:45:40 PM

Nobody is born a lactose bigot

by cineticdaffodil

8/16/2026 at 7:11:12 PM

That would look good as a title on a nice business card. Letterpress, maybe.

by kraussvonespy

8/16/2026 at 3:51:56 PM

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by theptip

8/16/2026 at 4:11:12 PM

So the euphemism treadmill is spinning the other direction

by bsimpson

8/16/2026 at 5:07:47 PM

The euphemism treadmill has not been unalived.

by SideburnsOfDoom

8/16/2026 at 2:59:06 PM

This doesn‘t sound like AI. LLMs do not use dictionary definitions for translating a paper this way. It does look like some translation engine like Google Translate or worse, maybe with some text obfuscator trying to avoid plagiarism detection.

by ivan_gammel

8/16/2026 at 7:46:36 PM

Yes, this looks like something which predates AI by several decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spinning

by userbinator

8/16/2026 at 7:53:51 PM

https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.06751 found that a lot of the outputs were characteristic of an online tool called SpinBot. (The tool no longer seems to work the same way that it did at the time.)

by duskwuff

8/17/2026 at 9:58:12 AM

Maybe deepl gone wild?

by Bombthecat

8/16/2026 at 4:54:08 PM

LLMs are not the only form of AI.

by wavemode

8/16/2026 at 5:36:12 PM

Simple substitution of phrases doesn’t sound like any AI.

by anamexis

8/16/2026 at 5:55:28 PM

Autocorrect unleashed doesn't sound like any AI either but that doesn't stop anyone from calling it that

by xgulfie

8/16/2026 at 9:31:06 PM

Aren't most autocorrect transformer-based?

by stymaar

8/16/2026 at 10:11:23 PM

Historically, no.

The simplest way to build autocorrect is to have a dictionary, look it up for each word, and suggest the "closest" dictionary word if a typed word is absent from the dictionary.

It has existed way before transformers and on platforms that couldn't dream of running even the smallest transformer.

by sebastiennight

8/17/2026 at 1:35:30 AM

What do you mean by "look it up" if not measure the closest dictionary word by edit distance?

I think you'll find the broader idea of word vectorization to be remarkably similar to what text transformers do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edit_distance

by sublinear

8/17/2026 at 9:02:13 PM

Yes, I meant, find the closest word by edit distance. I'm unsure where vectorization would factor in here?

by sebastiennight

8/17/2026 at 10:53:24 PM

When I made this comment, I was thinking of edit distance embedding (like everyone else in this reply chain) while you're thinking of BK-trees.

We're just talking past each other. I agree that a tree is the historical solution. I didn't catch that part.

by sublinear

8/16/2026 at 3:17:25 PM

Google Translate uses an LLM, last I heard.

by 1over137

8/16/2026 at 9:48:09 PM

It switched very recently I think if at all. It was way worse at translations than Gemini even at the beginning of this year. Especially between a pair of languages other than English. It was mixing two completely different words that are the same in English.

by scotty79

8/17/2026 at 10:38:57 AM

I've seen it make very LLM mistakes, esp. "hiccups" and palilalia this month.

by krige

8/16/2026 at 7:46:25 PM

Only since 2023.

by kevin_thibedeau

8/16/2026 at 9:33:24 PM

WDYM? It used an encoder-decoder transformer model long before 2023 (and also long before decoder-only transformers à la GPT became the new standard).

Most people seem to believe LLM only describe these decoder-only architectures, but the term predate them by a big margin. BERT (encoder-only) was a large language model, and there were even language models before transformers were even a thing.

by stymaar

8/17/2026 at 2:13:15 AM

Either that or it was an AI trained on conversations between parents and teenagers.

by pseudohadamard

8/16/2026 at 3:18:45 PM

That sounds like Anthrophics watermark explanation though.

by gmerc

8/16/2026 at 3:43:08 PM

Anthropic’s watermark is just using a known collection of random seeds during output token generation. That’s it. The models always relied on some randomness, here the randomness is fixed and remembered for querying later.

by LPisGood

8/16/2026 at 8:11:30 PM

> Anthropic’s watermark is just using a known collection of random seeds during output token generation. That’s it.

Wouldn't that mean that checking the watermark...

(1) Required knowing the prompt used to generate the text; and

(2) was just as expensive as generating the text?

by thaumasiotes

8/18/2026 at 10:43:57 AM

wouldn't it mean reversing the output text into prompt and seed?

by hdjdbckcnfn

8/17/2026 at 1:13:01 PM

It's gotta be a bit more than that, otherwise it would fail if you trimmed even one token off the start of the whole session, let alone removing the prompt entirely.

(One approach that's been described is creating a bias in certain token pairs or short sequences: by hashing the previous n tokens, potentially with a secret seed, you create a list of essentially random allowed and disallowed next tokens, then bias the token selection to prefer allowed tokens, so long as they are plausible enough. Then you can check any long-enough subset of the output, if it deviates significantly enough from random chance on following this rule, it was almost certainly generated from a system following these rules.)

by rcxdude

8/17/2026 at 2:49:15 PM

When many of the core datasets were being produced, a lot of these companies mangled the text to be "friendlier" to try and avoid certain issues.

The changes they made often resulted in this kind of weird nonsense: Swapping the word "Failure" for "Disappointment" in a vain attempt to keep it from saying "you're a failure", but also just stripping out words such as slurs and insults, resulting in at one point the hilarious situation in which Gemini for quite a while would INSIST that the lyrics for the Dire Straits song "Money for Nothing" contained "That little has his own jet airplane/that little is a millionaire" -- which in certain contexts changes the meaning of the song incredibly.

These hack-and-slash text manglings have resulted in some of these clbuttic sort of writing styles being used during LLM-assisted writing. A more famous version of this was caused by one paper: https://world.edu/a-weird-phrase-is-plaguing-scientific-pape...

by indrora

8/16/2026 at 9:10:41 PM

That reminds me of an anecdote that my high school English teacher used to tell, as a way of cautioning against use of thesauruses: some student substituted "flatus" for "wind" in their composition, writing something like "a gentle flatus was blowing from the bay".

by kazinator

8/16/2026 at 7:48:20 PM

I also notice that "was opposed to 20 mL" and "unprotected to light" are also not phrases a human would likely produce for that sentence.

by userbinator

8/16/2026 at 1:52:59 PM

I've heard of microdosing Hitler but this is a whole new level of clbuttic.

by bombcar

8/17/2026 at 10:02:19 AM

Titrating the Hitler particles out of solution.

(remarkably, the phrase "particle of Hitler in every bourgeoise" comes from Trotsky rather than being original internet slang)

by pjc50

8/17/2026 at 10:11:13 AM

IIRC Feynman had a proof of this, atoms of Socrates, Hitler, and Shakespeare passing into every lung on earth.

by defrost

8/16/2026 at 3:55:30 PM

I had sent this an hour ago as a quote with a few others (lactose bigotry, of course the kidney disappointment) to someone via iMessage. The Apple Intelligence summary was unfortunately not screenshotted by them, but I am told it was a doozy...

by Topfi

8/16/2026 at 1:57:17 PM

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by andriy_koval

8/16/2026 at 5:06:30 PM

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by yieldcrv

8/17/2026 at 10:00:52 AM

.. what?

by pjc50

8/16/2026 at 7:14:27 PM

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by cindyllm

8/16/2026 at 3:08:47 PM

Here is one hypothesis: https://theconversation.com/problematic-paper-screener-trawl...

<quote> Have you ever heard of the Joined Together States? Or bosom peril? Kidney disappointment? Fake neural organizations? Lactose bigotry? These nonsensical, and sometimes amusing, word sequences are among thousands of “tortured phrases” that sleuths have found littered throughout reputable scientific journals.

They typically result from using paraphrasing tools to evade plagiarism-detection software when stealing someone else’s text. The phrases above are real examples of bungled synonyms for the United States, breast cancer, kidney failure, artificial neural networks, and lactose intolerance, respectively. </quote>

by aix1

8/16/2026 at 3:50:02 PM

During the whole BLM thing a few years ago my emplyer wanted "to do something" I guess so they added one of those "inclusive language" SaaS buttons.

This seems more plausible to me. "Bosom peril" is not in any way a synonym for cancer. But if you think 'cancer' as a word will trigger people then softening it with 'peril' makes sense.

by apexalpha

8/16/2026 at 3:57:56 PM

It's not a woke sensitivity thing. They're using spinners, tools designed for spammers years ago (long predating LLMs) that just randomly substitute words from a thesaurus.

It works because so many academic journals are write-only media. The only things that actually "read" the papers are machines that check for plagiarism, compute citation counts and do other things used to decide on academic promotions. So it doesn't matter if the text is nonsensical.

And the tools work for spam, the original use case, because people who want to buy Viagra from spam mails don't care if they have to read weird English, they just want to find the web shops. Works great for bypassing keyword and Bayesian filters though.

Some papers show signs of being generated by context-free grammars or random phrase combination as well.

These papers are often being produced by "paper mills" that bulk generate fake studies and sell them to academics, who use them to get promoted without having to do any real research.

I wrote an article about the problem years ago if you want to learn more:

https://dailysceptic.org/2021/10/03/436-randomly-generated-p...

by mike_hearn

8/17/2026 at 4:59:55 PM

Nice article.

Your description of the completely apathetic chain of actors, starting with the journal editors, was depressing to read.

You did not explicitly comment on it, but the situation also implies that even researchers don't really care about research? Like no advisers, or employers or colleagues are reading through these papers?

It feels like more people should have noticed that these journals will print garbage and having an article in a journal like this would not be a positive signal anymore. Maybe it just takes a while?

by jaredklewis

8/18/2026 at 6:25:30 AM

Yeah, nobody is reading these journals. They all have dozens of "editors" but it's just CV manipulation.

People are noticing, that's why academic credibility is in free fall but it's all tied up with ideology. Academia purged everyone not on the far left a long time ago, so the left find it useful to promote universities as still having the highest rigour.

by mike_hearn

8/16/2026 at 4:25:35 PM

You sure it isn't a euphemism for "heart attack"?

by isityettime

8/16/2026 at 6:53:29 PM

"Bosom peril" sounds like what someone in the 1800s would write in a spicy novel describing a character's experience being unable to breathe while being hugged by a well-endowed lady.

by csense

8/16/2026 at 9:01:34 PM

I thought it was booby trap

by jordemort

8/16/2026 at 9:49:21 PM

It's all gone tits up.

by kps

8/16/2026 at 2:55:32 PM

Most of these are authored by what appear to be non-native English speakers. So, the most likely explanation is a translation issue.

In engineering literature from Russia from the 1960s, one sometimes finds references to a ‘water goat’ in papers that are otherwise about heavy machinery. It turns out this is a twice-translated rendition of ‘hydraulic ram’.

by avalys

8/16/2026 at 5:23:59 PM

That's on par with this (apocryphal) translation of "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak" <=> "The vodka was good, but the meat was rotten."

by kmoser

8/16/2026 at 4:26:30 PM

> engineering literature from Russia from the 1960s, one sometimes finds references to a ‘water goat’

Oh, that's where it comes from!

My dad told me something close when I was a kid, but according to him it was the early EU doing dictionary translation between English and French and getting "water sheep". I never could find it.

Through an unrelated anecdote, in my head this is now bound to the music of "smoke on the water", with a sheep impression for the guitar (bass?) — "Sheep on the water, ba baa baaah, ba ba ba baaah"

by ben_w

8/16/2026 at 4:08:33 PM

Hey, it's not that easy to chose between "водяной баран" and "гидравлический таран", you know.

My favourite example of troubled blind translation is still "naked conductor runs under the carriage".

by Joker_vD

8/16/2026 at 5:25:27 PM

Nice double entendre but it seems to be a perfectly valid description of electrical wiring in a machine? What was the original intent?

by fc417fc802

8/16/2026 at 5:42:03 PM

It is a perfectly valid description of electrical wiring... but you need to have that context to translate it properly. Technical English translation skills vs. literary English translation skills, if you will.

by Joker_vD

8/16/2026 at 5:37:45 PM

What was "naked conductor runs under the carriage" supposed to be originally? Open driveshaft? Differential?

by JustARandomGuy

8/16/2026 at 5:40:29 PM

It's supposed to mean "a naked wire is stretched under the car". But it very well can be interpreted as, well, as a cloth-less train conductor having to quickly move under the carriage.

by Joker_vD

8/16/2026 at 5:43:03 PM

It’ll be a reference to a wire surely? Bare conductor?

by lostlogin

8/17/2026 at 5:56:11 AM

The classic example of this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_as_She_Is_Spoke

> It is widely believed that Carolino could not speak English and that an unknown French–English dictionary was used to translate the earlier Portuguese–French phrase book O novo guia da conversação em francês e português, written by José da Fonseca.

It became so popular for comedic reasons in the English-speaking world that it was reprinted many times and reviewed by Mark Twain.

by tdeck

8/16/2026 at 9:35:48 PM

All your base are belong to us.

by stymaar

8/17/2026 at 2:31:27 PM

Someone set us up the bomb.

by cestith

8/16/2026 at 1:17:29 PM

This is a really confusing one, since neither the "AI generated paper" nor "translation issue" explanations hold.

I found [1], created all the way back in 2021, which seems to first introduce this "kidney disappointment" term, and I would have to assume that perhaps the authors preferred to translate it from their native language.

LLMs did not exist in their current form in 2021, so couldn't have used it to write down a coherent thought, let alone a paper, at the time.

At the same time, I do live in the same country as the authors, and while we don't speak the best English, being a student at a college without some familiarity of the English language to come up with the term "kidney disappointment" is, let's just say, hard to believe for me.

Edit: This other comment[2] made me realize what it might have been: plagiarism avoidance.

Unfortunately, many colleges here do not have the best reputation and often run like degree mills, and the aforementioned comment made me remember a conversation with a friend, who mentioned writing a review paper.

Again, LLMs were not really a thing at the time, so they mentioned how they had to run their paper through a plagiarism detection tool, and then they substituted words with their synonyms. I guess someone really did search for the word "failure" and found "disappointment" as an alternative.

[1] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Suprodip-Mandal/publica...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49319764

by supriyo-biswas

8/16/2026 at 1:55:25 PM

It fits the "naive deplagiarization" explanation perfectly, however. Many of them are pre-LLM, when people had to plagiarize things the good old-fashioned way, and subsequently hide that fact via synonym replacement.

by Retr0id

8/16/2026 at 3:58:23 PM

Before LLMs, SEO content spammers used something called an "article spinner" which could rewrite lots of versions of the same article (which may or may not be someone else's article) by substituting synonyms, producing just enough variation to not get flagged as duplicate content by search engines. Some of the substitutions produced truly bizarre writing, but those pages were written for Googlebot to count the back links, not for human readers. This looks like what you'd get if you turned random substitutions down to a minimum to avoid plagiarism detection...

by notahacker

8/16/2026 at 3:19:45 PM

LLMs were not available in 2021, but "Google translate" is much older.

Such translations were not unusual.

Around 2017 to 2019 I used a lot "Google translate", because it saved time despite its flaws, but there never was even a single sentence that I could let exactly as generated by "Google translate".

In each sentence I had to change at least a word or two, and many were hilarious. This was for translations between English and German. I assume that for other more distant languages the translations must have been much worse.

by adrian_b

8/16/2026 at 3:49:02 PM

LLMs were absolutely available in 2021; the architecture is from 2017 and stuff like GPT-2 and BERT had been around for years. Conversational assistants, ie. ChatGPT, started in 2022.

by FeepingCreature

8/16/2026 at 1:39:23 PM

Could it just be neural translation? It existed since the mid 2010s.

by bhouston

8/16/2026 at 1:57:04 PM

That's my suspicion. I used Grammerly in 2021 and those are the type of substitutions I could see

by GenerocUsername

8/17/2026 at 7:00:02 AM

Perhaps the authors might have originally been going for "rejection" (of transplant) which then got translated into "disappointment".

by ssivark

8/16/2026 at 2:38:44 PM

Google Translate has existed since way back then. I remember seeing hilarious posts about bizarre translations from Chinese and other languages in the 2010s.

by tha_hnrain

8/16/2026 at 2:40:56 PM

I wonder if something similar is happening, except people are using AI detection tools and then substituting words.

by RobotToaster

8/16/2026 at 2:26:36 PM

Never heard of a content spinner?

by weird-eye-issue

8/16/2026 at 2:49:39 PM

"Kidney transplantation is a surgery to eliminate a sound, working kidney from a living or cerebrum dead giver and embed it into a patient with non-working kidneys. Kidney transplantation is performed on patients with persistent kidney disappointment, or end-stage renal illness (ESRD). ESRD happens when a sickness or confusion harms the kidneys with the goal that they are presently not able to do satisfactorily eliminating liquids and squanders from the body or of keeping up with the legitimate level of specific kidney-directed synthetics in the circulatory system. Without long haul dialysis or a kidney relocate, ESRD is deadly."

https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/Handbook-of-Kidney...

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=kidney+disappo...

Wolters Kluwer seems to be a real multinational company?

by lq9AJ8yrfs

8/16/2026 at 8:16:07 PM

> Wolters Kluwer seems to be a real multinational company?

Funnily enough, your first link reports that the author of the book is "Kluwer, Wolters".

Being a real multinational company doesn't mean they've read the books published under their imprint.

by thaumasiotes

8/16/2026 at 10:42:52 PM

I wonder if anyone else felt a somewhat "late 19th/early 20th-century" style in that paragraph; "sickness or confusion" and "liquids and squanders" stood out in particular.

by userbinator

8/16/2026 at 2:55:32 PM

I hope the synopsis is the only thing that got mangled by the thesaurus bot...

by elric

8/16/2026 at 1:10:11 PM

It's actually pretty funny to look for such synonym expressions https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22h... turns up a few more. If you want to read more, I believe those are called "tortured phrases"

by lkm0

8/16/2026 at 2:42:16 PM

> "Tortured phrases" are bizarre, nonsensical word combinations—such as "counterfeit consciousness" instead of "artificial intelligence"

Conterfeit Consciousness is gonna be the name of my new post-liquid analog modular synth IDM project.

I feel like these text spinners could actually be an untapped gold mine for creatively naming things.

by kortex

8/16/2026 at 2:54:19 PM

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by iwontberude

8/16/2026 at 1:17:03 PM

Well, yes, and I call them 'distressed phrases'

by kaddar

8/16/2026 at 3:36:23 PM

Expressions subjected to enhanced interrogation.

by cosmicgadget

8/16/2026 at 1:46:01 PM

Moderately inconvenienced phrases.

by Sharlin

8/16/2026 at 2:30:13 PM

Specially interrogated phrases.

by myself248

8/16/2026 at 3:03:40 PM

Phrases experiencing discomfort

by stackghost

8/16/2026 at 1:25:06 PM

Well I call it tax avoision.

by bot403

8/16/2026 at 2:13:40 PM

It seems like, particularly in scholarly works, we should cite AI contributions the same way we cite a third party, with similar consequences around plagiarism. If you’re copying AI whole hog, not quoting and citing it, and not catching basic failures. Is it really “your” work?

by mikgp

8/16/2026 at 4:02:22 PM

Kind of reminds me of the neutered newspeak where people now choose to use words like "unalive" instead of "kill"

by thegrim33

8/16/2026 at 3:26:22 PM

In the spring semester this year my teacher friends said they were getting a lot of student work that was unusually well written compared to the student’s other work, but also contain unnatural typos throughout.

The students were using ChatGPT and thought they would trick the teacher by editing some typos in before submission.

The cheating market is moving fast. There are now tools you can use to rephrase LLM generated output until the Pangram score drops low enough.

Versions of this cat and mouse game have been going on for a long time. Before ChatGPT was a household name there was a market for simple paraphrasing tools that spammers would use to send variations of email text to try to delay pattern matching spam filters.

by Aurornis

8/16/2026 at 4:37:51 PM

Cheating detection technology will be a cat and mouse game, but a good teacher who knows his students will spot cheating almost immediately (proving it might be more difficult).

The only solution is to evaluate students in ways that they can't cheat. Hand-written exams in class, oral exams, etc. but that is quite time-consuming and most teachers at least in K-12 are already overloaded.

by SoftTalker

8/16/2026 at 2:14:33 PM

I accidentally did this myself not long ago. Like everyone else I'm tired of cookie banners so I had ChatGPT make a law against it, it used "act" in its version, I search-and-replaced it with "Law" before getting Claude to ratify it. Claude pointed out the search-and-replace replacement, oops. The conversation links are in my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48585778 and you can see Claude found these mistakes:

    "
    At some point an earlier find-and-replace swapped "act" for "Law" and garbled three real words. As written, the text says:

    Section 1: "cookie-banner Lawions" — should be actions
    Section 3(2)(b): "next ordinary feature update after enLawment" — should be enactment
    Section 5(5): "a site-specific Law that the signal cannot satisfy" — should be act (or action)

    These aren't stylistic quibbles; "Lawions" landing on the desks of four legal departments would cause real confusion about intent. The fix is a single reverse find-and-replace. With that correction, I'm comfortable signing.
    "
It understood what happened correctly.

by logicallee

8/16/2026 at 2:35:22 PM

I’m having a hard time figuring out if this State of Utopia thing is tongue-in-cheek or serious.

by rafram

8/16/2026 at 7:10:04 PM

it's serious but still a small project, there isn't much on the site.

I personally would like the law I linked to be followed. I sent a copy to the major browser makers and left this suggestion:

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/comply-with-choose-cook...

where it got 1 kudos from a community manager but no other upvotes or comments.

The announcement of the law here on HN (linked in my gp comment) got 2 upvotes and no comments. So a couple of people liked the idea, but it's not a big hit.

by logicallee

8/17/2026 at 2:06:19 AM

I have to be honest, to someone who knows nothing about you, this is all a little concerning.

by rafram

8/17/2026 at 12:08:42 PM

ok. I'd like to discuss your concerns with you privately for medical privacy reasons, as it could be related to my mental health (which I guess is what you said was concerning about this).

- Could you please email me at the email address in my profile? (or add an email to yours.)

I have some followup questions about your concerns. Thank you.

by logicallee

8/16/2026 at 1:22:28 PM

I’m giving my kidneys a participation trophy.

by api

8/16/2026 at 8:25:18 PM

yeah lots of kidney shaming in these comments

by drcode

8/16/2026 at 6:39:39 PM

By the way, Google Translate is really good nowadays. It would certainly not make such mistakes anymore. In my experience, for long text it is even outperforming conventional LLMs in terms of faithfulness: Some LLMs tend to produce overly loose translations on long prose. Also, sometimes they just refuse to translate text they deem offensive.

by cubefox

8/16/2026 at 2:36:04 PM

Reminds me of "Complicated Hilbert Space" or "Quantum Door" from Siraj Raval's days of plagiarism.

by jsphweid

8/16/2026 at 4:53:58 PM

My favorite so far:

>”…in 2015, 1.2 million people kicked the bucket from kidney dissatisfaction, a development of 32% since…”

by sourweasel

8/16/2026 at 10:09:26 PM

Once had a lengthy battle with a marketing person. They attempted to change "uninterruptible" (as in Uninterruptible Power Supply) into non-interruptible, and then finally into interruptible. Took the best part of a week to get it fixed.

by nickdothutton

8/16/2026 at 10:59:27 PM

As others have pointed out, this phenomenon is pre-AI; but what perplexes me about LLMs is how unnatural their output can be, despite being trained on real human English. A recent example I saw here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49235242

by userbinator

8/16/2026 at 1:19:40 PM

Many of us are old enough to remember “medireview”, which emerged from different automatic replacement reasons.

by dofm

8/16/2026 at 12:58:56 PM

Huh.. Ok I'll play along. Could this be a translation issue? I confess the first thing that leaped to mind was.. could it be AI written? But I didn't want to leap to that but.. it's .. such a strange word that is not expected in .. I guess formal medical training.

by Molitor5901

8/16/2026 at 1:00:14 PM

AI changing words for watermarking purposes.

by amelius

8/16/2026 at 1:01:44 PM

Isn't it more likely to be changing words to disguise plagiarism?

Update: looking at some of these, I think it is probably just poor machine translation.

by dash2

8/16/2026 at 1:13:29 PM

Yeah some kind of translation issue. The papers seem to know what they're talking about, and I don't entirely get the AI gut feeling, only on the key words.

by Molitor5901

8/16/2026 at 1:04:22 PM

Good point, but I see lots of articles are using this "kidney disappointment" so maybe but.. holy toledo look at Impacts of Renal Transplantation and its Mental (2023) by Renan Kamath : “organ disillusionment,” “kidney relocate dismissal,” and “excusal of the moved organ.”

by Molitor5901

8/16/2026 at 1:09:20 PM

"waste can build to exorbitant level inside the blood, which harms both kidney and closures in kicking the bucket... "

"Regularly, it's more irritating than it is not kidding..."

(Pal and Gautam 2018)

by dash2

8/16/2026 at 1:15:06 PM

Its like when you write a school essay and look up every second word in a thesaurus thinking it makes the essay better

by flexagoon

8/16/2026 at 1:02:20 PM

Interesting! I started reading and there are so many sentences like “gauges an individual's gamble of kidney disappointment.”

Changing words for watermarking .. I understand why it may do that .. but .. what an unfortunate choice of where to do it.

by Molitor5901

8/16/2026 at 1:37:37 PM

The substitutions are transparent and don't change the meaning. What can possible go incorrectly?

by TheOtherHobbes

8/16/2026 at 1:55:17 PM

What tin possible leave incorrectly?

by akoboldfrying

8/16/2026 at 2:44:11 PM

It's very clear what's happening: they're passing it through a writing tool that has an "Auto-improve" feature the users click. This would do the naive, pre-LLM, trick of taking "repetitive" vocabulary and varying it using synonyms.

by ReaLNero

8/16/2026 at 2:57:12 PM

I assume it is due to machine translation? I do not see mentions of "failure" at all, which would be expected to exist if it was to increase variety.

I think (heard) some used to translate an article back and forth a few times to get a "new" article, but maybe it could have been some kind of "paraphrasing" software like you describe (but for avoiding plagiarism detection rather than repetitions).

by freehorse

8/16/2026 at 3:18:52 PM

I find this kind of free-phasing completely ridiculous. Just ask anyone that's had a kidney transfer that did not work out. I'm pretty sure they considered a failure, not just a disappointment.

by FloatArtifact

8/16/2026 at 2:46:40 PM

i kid you not, yesterday i was wondering what's the english word for bathroom scale, so i googled "pèse personne in english", and got answered "person weighs"

by croisillon

8/16/2026 at 2:49:09 PM

Searching the same thing gives me "The French phrase pèse-personne translates to bathroom scales (plural) or bathroom scale (singular) in English."

by heaney-555

8/16/2026 at 3:02:40 PM

In my google search, it gave me directly a translation box where it was translated as "personal scale" (which I think is also used).

by freehorse

8/16/2026 at 6:23:49 PM

The translations from that Google Search widget are painfully literal given how searches are usually phrased. I can't believe they've put that in production.

Similarly, I find its AI tab useless because it has a hard time interpreting search phrasing. If I need to reword it I might as well switch to a chatbot.

by debugnik

8/16/2026 at 8:43:10 PM

this reminds me how in the late aughts russian government tried to create some national, lib-free wikipedia version so what they did was rip entirety of wikipedia, deleted some articles and then search-replaced "wiki" with their name in the entire corpus. hilarity ensued within articles about vikings (most slavic languages only have single variant for v/w, except polish) and more.

by dilyevsky

8/17/2026 at 12:46:52 AM

"Tortured phrases" is the name of the phenomena, papers have been written about it since 2021.

by avd201

8/16/2026 at 3:26:53 PM

Google scholar thinks I'm a robot and won't let me look at the link

by tingletech

8/16/2026 at 5:32:11 PM

"I'm not even angry, I'm just

by paul_milovanov

8/16/2026 at 2:12:04 PM

Well…it is a disappointment when your nephrons don’t work.

by pmpmpmpm

8/16/2026 at 3:35:25 PM

We were staying at a nice ocean-side resort in Dana Point, California. My wife, our daughter, and I, were chilling by one of the pools.

Suddenly security was announcing "There's been a sanitary inconvenience, everyone must leave the pool!!! We apologize, but there's been a sanitary inconvenience!".

A moment later we saw them scooping up some floating poop that had escape some baby's swim diaper.

by WhyComboNadir

8/16/2026 at 2:55:00 PM

In some languages disappointment does mean malfunction or problem. Like disappointment of stomach. Maybe they are using English words in papers instead of English language? Common for people whose English is not their first language.

by cryptoegorophy

8/16/2026 at 6:39:15 PM

So far all the comments discuss whether this is due to LLM slop, plagiarism avoidance, or translation issues. I want to know how these passed the peer review process.

by aorth

8/16/2026 at 5:48:37 PM

This is a post-meritocracy world, unfortunately.

Plagiarism has turned the to pushing out blatant slop. People gaming the system. Diluting the pool of real research.

by xyst

8/16/2026 at 3:09:10 PM

> persistent kidney disappointment (CKF)

Guess why the acronym doesn't match. It's called chronic kidney disease (CKD). Yeah the acronym is wrong too.

by thesdev

8/16/2026 at 7:52:14 PM

Turns out the balance of my PhD thesis was coming up with ways to cheer up disappointed drones >:(

by hazrmard

8/17/2026 at 3:51:12 PM

"Heart disappointment" also shows up.

by Semiapies

8/20/2026 at 7:10:19 AM

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by kjimlau

8/17/2026 at 4:35:37 PM

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by ZeroDayDreamer

8/16/2026 at 1:56:14 PM

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by rizky05

8/16/2026 at 3:27:57 PM

I’m guessing this has something to do with the EU mandate for AI watermarking content

by exabrial

8/16/2026 at 5:32:18 PM

Well for the ding dong that downvoted me, here's a technical explanation of why this is a plausible theory

* current LLMs work by choosing next likely token, with a small randomization built in (emulating how humans sometimes substitute words)

* one implementation of the text marking is to "rig" the dice roll above, but do that on based upon a certain key

* so by looking at word substitutions in text, you can use a key verify it was generated by an llm.

* the algo is designed not to substitute proper nouns and some other asterisks... no idea if it's deterministic or not.

So yes, this is completely possible and even fits what happened.

by exabrial

8/16/2026 at 7:41:01 PM

The phenomenon of tortured phrases in published papers has been going on since at least 2020 - long before LLMs were a significant factor, and certainly before watermarking their output was a consideration.

The general working theory is that these phrases are the result of a "text spinner" tool being applied to a manuscript and blindly replacing random words or phrases using a preset list of synonyms (which are often imprecise and/or inappropriate). https://arxiv.org/abs/2107.06751 found that many of the commonly observed phrases were characteristic of an online text-spinning tool.

by duskwuff