8/4/2026 at 4:06:59 PM
by speckx
8/4/2026 at 7:03:56 PM
I’m assuming the data for Europe is largely correct, but a lot of the per country data doesn’t pass the smell test to me. Afghanistan (35 days), Libya (45), Yemen (46), etc. what percentage of workers there are getting that many paid days off?Edit - the original source even had the audacity to label Yemen with a “smiley face” since it has the most paid days for the region.
by MichaelNolan
8/4/2026 at 6:42:59 PM
What is going on in the US is nothing short of shameful.by ramijames
8/4/2026 at 6:55:36 PM
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employee-benefits/paid-leave-sick...Could be better for sure, but a graph showing the US as having 0 days of paid days off because the federal government doesn't mandate anything is misleading at best. Average US worker after 1 year of employment earns 7 sick days and 11 vacation days. And likely has some state and federal holidays off as well, and could very well qualify for state required PTO and sick time. But that doesn't get clicks and attention.
More data, if one is curious:
by strictnein
8/4/2026 at 7:06:39 PM
> earns 7 sick daysIncluding sick days makes the calculation worse, not better. Sick days typically don't exist in Europe. If you're sick, you obviously just don't go to work. What's the point of infecting the whole office?
On average, workers in Europe take about 2 to 3 weeks off each year due to sickness in addition to their vacation. In fact, if you're sick during vacation, that doesn't count as vacation time, at least in some European countries.
by InsideOutSanta
8/4/2026 at 7:14:50 PM
I included them to show that, on average, PTO does not need to be used for sick time and to show that the vacation time is vacation time.> "workers in Europe take about 2 to 3 weeks off each year due to sickness in addition to their vacation"
It looks like in Germany it's 20 days a year - https://www.dw.com/en/germany-sick-days-absentees-mental-hea...
Are you all really that sick? Shouldn't the availability of lots of sick time and your "superior" healthcare system decrease your illness levels? Doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
by strictnein
8/4/2026 at 7:52:40 PM
Sick days as other wrote is prescribe by a doctor. It doesn't have a limit (e.g. .y college broke his leg and was on sick leave for 1.5 year). And his vacation time accumulated, he didn't use his 26 days first year so the next he had 52 days to use.Sick leave in my country is not full paid, it is 80%, so people are not that keen on getting it if not needed. On the other hand they are not hit that dramatically if they are sick.
by krzyk
8/4/2026 at 7:54:39 PM
I wouldn’t use the number of sick days as some form of “national health metric” since there’s probably a bunch of factors that influence it as much (if not more) than actual sickness, like for example: how many sick days are you actually allowed to take, how much do you get paid on sick days, what’s the culture around taking sick days?If you want to measure general health, you could go for example for life expectancy. Or if you care about the healthcare system itself you could go for infant/maternal mortality. Or if you want to measure efficiency you could go for spending per capita.
by isgb
8/4/2026 at 8:50:28 PM
If we avoid work when we're sick so that we don't get other people sick, wouldn't that result in a healthier population? I guess I'm confused as to why it wouldn't result in that?Life expectancy in the US is lower because we're all overweight. Infant mortality isn't a standardized metric, so it really shouldn't be used to compare health systems, even though people try to do so all of the time. A lot of infant mortality in the US is due to there being 1.5-2x as many births to mothers under the age of 20 (versus what one might see in Europe), which is really a societal problem, not a healthcare problem.
by strictnein
8/4/2026 at 9:18:19 PM
It is hard to know for sure, there could be some advantages to more pathogenic exposure in terms of group immunity but it is challenging to study and the particular types of pathogens that get passed around would matter a lot too.by Induane
8/4/2026 at 7:32:04 PM
The sick leave has to go through the healthcare system. That said, there are doctors that would just blindly approve, but it's not exactly a norm.A lot of those sick days are also childcare.
by prerok
8/4/2026 at 8:56:07 PM
Genuinely curious now: If you have a cold or a cough, or maybe a slight fever, do you have to talk to a doctor to get a day or two off of work?by strictnein
8/4/2026 at 7:24:11 PM
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8/4/2026 at 8:32:29 PM
2-3 weeks is probably an average skewed by burnt out (or seriously sick, cancer) people taking 9 months to get betterby yread
8/4/2026 at 7:08:13 PM
Can confirm in non-European country. In Dominican Republic they don't count eitherby braiamp
8/4/2026 at 7:40:06 PM
Except for some drastic cases I've not seen people taking more than 2/3 single days a year.In most places in Europe the first sick days are not comped, so any missed day is a missed paid day. When social security comes into play they tend to pay the base pay of the position.
That would mean that if you miss a week because of an illness you might see a salary reduction close to a fifth of your monthly salary. That's something that most people don't have the luxury.
Apart of that most companies treat any medical leave after the third (yearly) as suspicious, which needs extra investigation.
So as we might not have a limit, and it's relatively paid, most people do meagre use of it.
by JaumeGreen
8/4/2026 at 7:55:03 PM
What countries? Above peoplemwrote about Germany.and didn't mention such strange limit of first few days. Also in Poland there is no such thing. You can have a sick leave for 1 day and you get paid the same amount as if you get 3 weeks - 80% of your salary.by krzyk
8/4/2026 at 6:59:44 PM
I wouldn't take into account sick days, because this article doesn't also.by Faaak
8/4/2026 at 7:01:19 PM
I was mentioning it because the data does and also to get ahead of people claiming that US PTO includes sick time, when it mostly doesn't.by strictnein
8/4/2026 at 7:26:47 PM
The point is that it is a limited amount of paid sick days, which is a completely foreign concept in most places (pun intended).by rendx
8/4/2026 at 6:59:41 PM
I think an interesting point here is there is no substantial difference between allocated vacation days if you work for the government or a private employer. One would think the government would set a good example.by richwater
8/4/2026 at 7:35:45 PM
I've never worked at a job that didn't offer some form of PTO, only exception is when you are doing contract work and not a full time employee, you simply take time off when the rest of the company does for no pay during those windows of time.by giancarlostoro
8/4/2026 at 6:49:47 PM
Shameful? The country that invented transistors and the internet is getting roasted by people who need 40 days off just to recover from existing.Work is a privilege.
by dayyan
8/4/2026 at 6:56:50 PM
Assuming you're serious, as a European, I applaud your willingness to hurt yourself so we can have transistors and also have 40 days off each year.by InsideOutSanta
8/4/2026 at 7:03:02 PM
US inventiveness peaked in the 50s and 60s, when corporate taxes were much higher, education, housing and healthcare were far cheaper, wealth was more evenly distributed, and government investment in infrastructure and R&D was more about delivery than corporate/academic grift.Perhaps there's a reason it has declined since.
by TheOtherHobbes
8/4/2026 at 7:20:51 PM
> healthcare were far cheaperIn the 60s people would often die from ailments that are now solved with routine outpatient procedures.
Cars were cheaper too but it turns out all that emissions and safety equipment costs money.
by pudgywalsh
8/4/2026 at 9:14:28 PM
> US inventiveness peaked in the 50s and 60sHow does one even measure that? And who would even try and claim that?
> when corporate taxes were much higher
The corporate tax rates in the 70s and 80s were just as high as they were in the 50s and 60s [0]. And the capital gains taxes were actually lower during the 50s and 60s than they were in the 70s and 80s. Why did inventiveness stop if the higher tax rates were helpful?
1952-1963 Over $25,000 52%
1975-1978 Over $50,000 48% ($50k in 1978 is ~$21k in 1952)
But surely Reagan did some bad things, right?
The maximum tax rate on capital gains was capped at 34 percent for 1987
From April 1, 1954, through Calendar Year 1969, the maximum tax rate on capital gains was 25 percent.
Grift in the 50s and 60s was pervasive and everywhere. Eisenhower was warning about the Military Industrial Complex in 1961.
[0] https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/historical-corpor...
by strictnein
8/4/2026 at 7:54:25 PM
100% disagree.SmartPhones, Cloud, AI.
Just three things that happened in the past 20 years and were brought to the world by US companies.
by vladgur
8/4/2026 at 9:16:20 PM
Another example: the first commercial cell phone network was in Chicago in 1983, brought to us by AT&T and Motorola. What could be more impactful to modern existence than that?by strictnein
8/4/2026 at 7:35:20 PM
Also post war Europe had to rebuild, the US didn't - and lots of scientists headed west.by philjohn
8/4/2026 at 7:28:56 PM
The more innovative companies in the US tend to have generous vacation policies.I think what the article is really about the rest of the country. In Europe, even service industry people get 4-6 weeks off per year. In the US service industry that is unheard of.
by qurren
8/4/2026 at 7:30:54 PM
I guess it depends on what your personal priorities are. I’d say most Europeans prioritize their families, friends and life _away from work_ over work, but maybe you don’t. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯by isgb
8/4/2026 at 7:21:56 PM
Countries invent nothing, people do. And I bet those who invented transistors and the internet had plenty of days off.BTW if work would be a privilege, you would have to pay to do it
by croes
8/4/2026 at 6:52:02 PM
The US has generally higher wages than Europe and lower taxation rates. Those paid days off are not free.by ChocolateGod
8/4/2026 at 7:40:32 PM
You're assuming that's due to more days off? I have my doubts. I think the US could offer more paid days off, and it would retain its higher wages and lower taxation rates.by didibus
8/4/2026 at 7:22:43 PM
Switzerland has all that and paid days off on par with the rest of Europe.by Tade0
8/4/2026 at 7:34:07 PM
You talk as if you believe low taxation rates are good for low earners.by estomagordo
8/4/2026 at 7:24:07 PM
And the US has the lower life expectancy.by croes
8/4/2026 at 7:25:24 PM
> lower taxation rateseh.. many western countries have comparable taxation rates. That's not true.
Regardless it would be nice to have the choice to work 75% the hours for 75% pay. Not many jobs offer that, though.
Everything in the US is built around maximum value extraction for corporate profits, and I believe this is just another cog in that system.
by tripleee
8/4/2026 at 7:08:54 PM
This comment needs to be pinned.by cynicalsecurity
8/4/2026 at 7:09:56 PM
The areas with the highest wages are disproportionately more expensive, and the personal risks forced on both workers and the unemployed are far dangerous. (Esp lack of healthcare.)by TheOtherHobbes
8/4/2026 at 7:18:42 PM
What do you mean by "lack of healthcare" exactly? Are you under the impression that it's hard to get healthcare in the US? Or that the average healthcare experience is extraordinarily expensive?by strictnein
8/4/2026 at 7:22:36 PM
It's easy if you're employed by a reasonable company.Healthcare being so tied to your employer is so anti-labor it's unbelievable.
by tripleee
8/4/2026 at 6:54:20 PM
Why does it say 0 for the US? You have Thanksgiving, Christmas, 4th of July and more? Are they unpaid days off?by cinntaile
8/4/2026 at 7:04:34 PM
Depends on the company. The US maintains no requirements, federal holidays are a suggestion, not a mandate.A few states inside the US upgrade federal holidays to state holidays to required paid time off. Most don't.
In the US paid holidays are a corporate "tradition" more than a regulated common good.
Even US federal employee holidays vary between agencies and branches of government.
by WorldMaker
8/4/2026 at 7:01:15 PM
I think they're technically not federally mandated. Businesses can be open on Christmas at their discretion and require workers to come in.by nemomarx
8/4/2026 at 7:57:44 PM
Holidays are on top of vacations so they shouldn't be counted .by krzyk
8/4/2026 at 7:03:22 PM
It depends on the job and is not mandated to be paid, or even given off.by panzagl
8/4/2026 at 7:02:55 PM
Because it gets more attention if they ignore reality and treat a lack of a federal mandate as meaningful information.by strictnein
8/4/2026 at 7:33:18 PM
The rest of the world seems to believe that if the government doesn't mandate it, it doesn't happen.by tarxvf
8/4/2026 at 7:56:20 PM
well, then what happens when the company decides to revoke your pto? where do you put that into the statistics?by victorbojica
8/4/2026 at 7:40:39 PM
All I wanted from this article was a table with the list of countries and the amounts of paid days off, but the chart labels only 16 countries.The referenced source includes an image with all of the values: https://www.moorepay.co.uk/app/uploads/2025/07/01_Which-Coun...
by yreg
8/4/2026 at 7:11:25 PM
Of course, nobody really gets paid for days off, anywhere, ever. Salaries are prorated, people are paid for the days they actually work.by gweinberg
8/4/2026 at 7:45:32 PM
Of course not, but there is a strong default option effect.And more often then not an employee _has to_ take the exact amount of vacation that's mandated in their country.
by yreg
8/4/2026 at 7:06:14 PM
I dont want to derail the conversation about the article but what's with two separate accounts posting within 5 minutes of each other both going off about America inventing transistors?I wonder how much vacation time the people who invented the transistor took each year.
Edit: up to three mentions of transistors now. Bizarre
by bluefirebrand
8/4/2026 at 8:42:58 PM
That is surprising, unlike the expected USA bad rhetoricby 1234letshaveatw
8/4/2026 at 6:58:56 PM
I guess thinking from first principles probably the ideal is neither government mandating days off nor their behind terribly hard to come by.Better imo would be - if I personally accomplished something meaningful and valuable and 'earned' time, then I am strongly incentivized to take time. Also it taking time will help my health and wellness meaningfully then I should also be incentivized to do so.
But that seems impossible to setup if we aren't all our own business owning entrepreneurs.
by johndhi
8/4/2026 at 7:14:49 PM
From the first principles, I suspect it’s an attitude thing, management-to-individual-contributors relationships. If management treats ICs as equals and tries to form a healthy human-centric culture, you get unlimited PTO. If the management treats ICs as tools to do the work and tries to squeeze maximum performance per dollar out of that biomass, you get sweatshops with zero time off. Incidentally things correlate with ICs replaceability - the more replaceable an individual is, the less reasons to care (see a work-performer as a human with needs and problems and ) business owners have. Plus, the wellbeing of the business is a likely factor - the more breathing space it gets, the more it could afford (unless greed and lack of long-term planning kills everything) to be less financially optimal short-term for long-term prosperity.Regulations are means of pushing the bottom line back at scale. They should be unnecessary in ideal humane society, but that’s not a thing. I wonder whether there’s a way to shift the culture somehow… but there seems to be no political will for that, because it’s certainly not any popular agenda point.
by drdaeman
8/4/2026 at 7:18:17 PM
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8/4/2026 at 6:58:22 PM
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8/4/2026 at 7:03:14 PM
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8/4/2026 at 6:53:39 PM
The country that does not, invented more or less every modern technology (transistors, ICs, wifi, microwaves, cellular). Mayhaps there is something to it.by dmitrygr
8/4/2026 at 7:15:26 PM
You didn't invent microwaves. Well, your lot invented the klystron. Know what a klystron is? No? Well there you are.But I bet you know what the cavity magnetron - invented in Scotland - is. You probably used one today already.
Cellular phones were invented in the UK and Finland. The US didn't even have them until the first couple of generations were obsolete here.
Transistors were invented in Germany, although they were made practical in the US, I'll them that.
by ErroneousBosh
8/4/2026 at 7:46:12 PM
also jet enginediscovered penicillin
by philjohn
8/4/2026 at 9:22:02 PM
Tarmac, the breech-loading rifle, the first practicable television system even if it wasn't very good, pneumatic tyres...by ErroneousBosh
8/4/2026 at 7:18:08 PM
This can be spun ad infinitum: You wouldn't have all of these technologies without machines from the Netherlands and mirrors from Germany. So yeah, whatever.by db29a0dbcd3b
8/4/2026 at 6:58:58 PM
Most of those things were invented by a company granted a government monopoly on communications and not allowed to directly profit off of any of those advances.AT&T threw money at smart people and said, "Do stuff. Then we'll see if we can use it"
No one does that anymore.
by bena
8/4/2026 at 7:08:09 PM
The big one on the list that wasn't AT&T was microwaves and that was a contractor to Nasa [0] in the heat of the moon race and a similar "Do stuff. Then we'll see if we can use it" mandate.[0] Defense contractor Raytheon most specifically.
by WorldMaker
8/4/2026 at 7:15:39 PM
I think that's one thing people truly forget when they ask "Why can't we do things like this anymore?"AT&T paid people to fuck around. Claude Shannon, father of Information Theory, founder of Artificial Intelligence, and namesake to Anthropic's flagship product, was also busy building flame-throwing trumpets and rocket frisbees while creating entire new fields.
by bena
8/4/2026 at 7:28:08 PM
So why can't I order a rocket frisbee today? Wtf America.by harvey9
8/4/2026 at 7:02:29 PM
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