alt.hn

7/18/2026 at 3:44:04 PM

Gleam Is Now on Tangled

 https://tangled.org/gleam.run/gleam

by nerdypepper

7/18/2026 at 4:02:51 PM

This post needs a bunch more context; right now it's only immediately accessible to people who don't need the announcement [1].

[1] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/curtains-for-zoosha

by Planktonne

7/18/2026 at 8:42:14 PM

It gives "Bleeb is now Scrumple! Snap me on Simpr! We're excited to share that Gringl will merge with Jigglify!"

by sippeangelo

7/18/2026 at 4:39:24 PM

Headline reminds me of Poob.

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/3056633-poob-has-it-for-you

by ryukoposting

7/18/2026 at 4:53:44 PM

The fact that I know what both Gleam and Tangled are in this context means I spend too much time on HN and not enough time doing useful things.

by wffurr

7/19/2026 at 6:57:01 AM

Makes me nostalgic for the old days (2000s and early 2010s) when everything was WordWord. Facebook, Instagram, Myspace, Dropbox, etc. Now it's just normal words without vowels. The Grindrification of naming.

by viccis

7/19/2026 at 11:11:37 AM

There was no shortage of names like that. A lot of them rebranded later. Remember twttr?

by Kye

7/19/2026 at 12:05:59 AM

Gleam is a popular language amongst people who like Erlang or Elixir. They are both built for the BEAM virtual machine.

Tangled is a decentralized GitHub alternative built on ATProto (the same protocol as Bluesky)

by culi

7/19/2026 at 3:24:16 AM

Did they move away from github?

by subarctic

7/18/2026 at 4:06:15 PM

The irony of that linked page dragging a reposted mid tweet into multiple scrollable pages of “content” and in doing so reading exactly like a celeb news article

by Arubis

7/18/2026 at 4:23:26 PM

I think it would only be irony if it was guilty of the same issue it's complaining about in celeb news: not sufficiently explaining the context. If anything, it's too exhaustive.

by Planktonne

7/18/2026 at 4:35:09 PM

Yeah, it turns out human culture has a lot of depth and complexity, even so-called "mid" culture. If you think you can write a better explainer, I'd love to read it.

by nvme0n1p1

7/18/2026 at 5:01:58 PM

I absolutely could, by removing everything past the first 3-5 sentences in the article. But that probably wouldn’t satisfy the site owner’s desired metrics and SEO targeting.

by Arubis

7/18/2026 at 6:36:00 PM

Actually that means they did a great job of writing a BLUF article. If you only care about the most basic details, you're free to click away after reading the first paragraph. They didn't even mess with my history, a very low bar many similar websites fail to clear. You only need to scroll down if you want more background and context.

by andrewflnr

7/18/2026 at 6:54:03 PM

I mean, you could. I've read your blog and it's quite well-written, not only just better-than-know-your-meme. Thank you btw, some really nice reads there.

by andersonpico

7/18/2026 at 7:36:35 PM

I have zero idea what your link has to do with the original post, which seems to just be the Gleam language on some new version control host?

by bmitc

7/19/2026 at 5:36:39 AM

> seems to just be the Gleam language

Ok so that "gleam" is a language (presumably programming language) is some of the missing context.

> on some new version control host

Is that what Tangled is? I guess I'll take your word for it.

by mvdtnz

7/19/2026 at 6:22:17 AM

I just happen to know of Gleam, the programming language.

> > on some new version control host

> Is that what Tangled is?

I don't really know. It's just a guess from the looks of it. I also don't know why this is important that Gleam is on Tangled now. Shrug. What really confused me is the commenter's link, both the link itself and its relevance.

by bmitc

7/18/2026 at 8:24:17 PM

Exactly, even if one doesn't know about either of these things (gleam & tangled), all it would take is one or two searches or even better they just visit the homepage. I suppose people have become so used to reading llm generated bluff that simple things don't appeal/make sense to them anymore.

by opem

7/19/2026 at 6:59:44 AM

At some point, narcissistic injuries in response to "rtfm" or "stfw" got so prominent that just telling people asking others to spend their time explaining things that were 5 second google searches away to google it became a faux pas

by viccis

7/18/2026 at 8:17:26 PM

Yeah it should definitely start with a bit of explanation, perhaps, it should start with what this site (hn, aka, hackernews) is even about!

by opem

7/19/2026 at 3:04:56 AM

This isn't true. I knew what gleam was (though do not use it) and what tangled was already (and I do use it), and this announcement is new information to me.

by Zambyte

7/19/2026 at 8:35:35 AM

Came here for this comment

by andycowley

7/18/2026 at 4:44:24 PM

First hearing of tangled, tried signing up and this first time user experience needs to be tightened up. Currently unwilling to sign in because of the friction I ran into using a password manager. From what it looks like they:

- ask you for an email

- send you an email

- ask you for a username

- except you cant actually log in with this username directly

- im being forced to learn some new social url protocol

- why does the auth flow pass me through a new ui/url that seems owned by the project but visually disconnected (eg, different branding/colors for the form)

- my password manager couldnt bridge the gap

I'm notoriously fickle about dealing with signup/login friction, but the project sounds cool so hopefully my feedback is more actionable than curmudgeony.

by pbjerkeseth

7/18/2026 at 5:23:46 PM

Fwiw the sign up/in process for me was "click login, type in my existing blue sky handle, type in my password (into a bsky domain name login prompt), click authorize".

I expect that's the... more optimized flow at this point in this forge's life.

> - why does the auth flow pass me through a new ui/url that seems owned by the project but visually disconnected (eg, different branding/colors for the form)

Probably because of the above, identity isn't tightly associated with the app you're using here so they've stood up their own infra for it but probably not spent too much time on making it good.

> - except you cant actually log in with this username directly

Really? That's strange... I haven't made a native account... what do you need to login with then?

by gpm

7/18/2026 at 5:51:02 PM

a "username.tngl.sh" schema, which is that I meant by the unfamiliar protocol in the next bullet

by pbjerkeseth

7/19/2026 at 6:03:29 AM

That's your handle and it points to the server where your atproto account's data is stored. You can use this same login for other atproto apps and it will all be stored on the server at tngl.sh A username.bsky.social handle just means bsky set up that account and your data lives at the bsky.social PDS. You can migrate to a different PDS and change your handle if you don't trust them. You can host a PDS yourself if you like. I agree it's a little clumsy, but I'm sure friction can be reduced.

The idea is to give users control over their identity, network, and feeds instead of big social platforms like facebook or twitter that choose what content you see and lock you into their closed network.

by ajs1998

7/18/2026 at 6:01:10 PM

Oh, that is unfortunate. Bluesky implicitly adds the .bsky.social domain name. Hopefully tangled starts doing the same some day.

by gpm

7/18/2026 at 6:57:11 PM

Does it? I just tried logging in without typing the full username and it didn't work.

by extraduder_ire

7/18/2026 at 6:58:49 PM

Blue sky... Yes, at least for me. I double checked in private browsing before posting that claim.

by gpm

7/18/2026 at 5:21:18 PM

Better than my experience with it, just says:

>Failed to complete sign up. Try again later.

by whywhywhywhy

7/18/2026 at 5:42:07 PM

ha, I could not sign in and I already have an Atmosphere account!

by bpavuk

7/19/2026 at 2:27:41 AM

That was my experience too.

by xedrac

7/18/2026 at 10:09:22 PM

For some context (which people seem to be wanting): Gleam is an interestinf language that is very tight and small. I met the folks from Gleam at the recent Ubuntu Summit and was struck by the talk they gave which made the point (about the design philosophy of staying small and careful creation) excellently. It's very watchable, and Giacomo later explained (when I asked) that he'd hand-animated every transition. Which re-struck me as a doubly good way to reinforce the point of the talk, which was itself small and carefully created.

https://youtu.be/E6_JqYMeNqs

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/gleam-and-the-value-of-small/...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleam_(programming_language)

by speerer

7/18/2026 at 5:05:32 PM

I tried Tangled and tried to run my own Knot, the problem I had was I'd create a repository, have it get created correctly on my Knot, but then would never see any updates to the repo on Tangled itself.

The main issue is that even though I had the knot with IPv6 connectivity, it only really reliably worked once I enabled lots of IPv4 NAT'ing and also created a dummy A record for the Knot.

This is a known issue - https://tangled.org/tangled.org/core/issues/494

by sc68cal

7/18/2026 at 5:33:58 PM

I'd love to hear why they chose a VC funded forge over e.g. Codeberg.

Doesn't really fit the 'friendly language' claim IMO

by lavela

7/18/2026 at 9:09:20 PM

"being on tangled" really just means "publishing sh.tangled.* atproto records"

the beauty of atproto means that you are in no way tied to the VC funded company behind the web app available at tangled.org. you merely publish your git repository using a protocol that this app will pick up and present with a nice UI

any other app that speaks atproto and looks at those same sh.tangled.* records will be able to access everything in the same way

and even the git repository itself doesn't need to be hosted by tangled the company, you can host your repository yourself. all you need is a server that can speak git, ssh, http and websocket

by nasso_dev

7/18/2026 at 9:41:46 PM

> the beauty of atproto means that you are in no way tied to the VC funded company behind the web app

This is false: you’re tied to both tangled (unless you want to self host a forge, which if you did you wouldn’t have picked tabgled) and Bluesky for your login to keep working (unless you want to self host a complex constellation of social media components).

by isodev

7/18/2026 at 10:05:16 PM

> you’re tied to both tangled (unless you want to self host a forge, which if you did you wouldn’t have picked tabgled)

this is true today only because nobody has made an alternative "frontend". but the data is there, public, for anybody to see. they can't take it from you even if they really wanted to. in fact, tangled has been working on making it easier for such third-party "frontends" to exist: https://blog.tangled.org/bobbin/

> and Bluesky for your login to keep working

you seem to be misinformed. "your login" is handled by your PDS, whichever it is. self-hosting a PDS doesn't require you to host anything beyond a sqlite database and a websocket connection. they are easy and very cheap to host, nothing like a "complex constellation of social media components"

today you can already 100% use atproto apps without having any ties whatsoever to bluesky:

- data: non-bluesky-hosted pds (either your own or some other host) for your data

- identity: the did:plc directory is managed by an independent swiss association, but you can even use did:web if you really want to

- relays/apps: blacksky is an example of a fully independent stack

by nasso_dev

7/18/2026 at 9:55:25 PM

Weird, I host exactly one thing (my PDS) and I am not at all tied to Bluesky for my login to keep working. Everything else is already publicly hosted by MANY others.

by blackqueeriroh

7/18/2026 at 11:20:24 PM

you can selfhost all components of tangled, takes about 200mb of memory and zero disk at the moment (api.tangled.org is completely stateless!): https://blog.tangled.org/bobbin/

by nerdypepper

7/18/2026 at 9:03:03 PM

While the way that Tangled is funded is not my preference, I see great potential in atproto for improving the internet. This and and a lot of interest in the Gleam community for the protocol made me decide it was a good place to host a mirror of the Gleam repository.

by lpil

7/18/2026 at 6:12:22 PM

They're still on GitHub. This isn't any sort of official transition. It's just now also on this other ATProto-based forge.

by jdiff

7/18/2026 at 6:40:34 PM

So I assume you know that tangled being ATProto-based was the reason for going there?

And please explain how it's not a choice when they are still on GitHub.

by lavela

7/18/2026 at 9:29:18 PM

No, Tangled's ATProto relationship and its social features are just the only differentiating factors.

They mirrored their repo somewhere else. An additional location does not make it less friendly.

by jdiff

7/18/2026 at 8:27:54 PM

We all know why... as a condition of some monetary support. It does give a sour taste, really shows what core values are: money > community. I'll just focus on using elixir for a project instead.

by shimman

7/18/2026 at 9:04:55 PM

I wish! Alas, the Gleam project continues to be under-funded and we have not got a single penny from any venture capital company.

If anyone would like to give me a large amount of money in exchange for my publishing a mirror on your git forge, please get in touch ;)

by lpil

7/18/2026 at 8:44:57 PM

No I don't know this. Do you have any source for that?

by lavela

7/19/2026 at 1:00:35 AM

There is no source because it's not true

by m8s

7/19/2026 at 3:06:29 PM

There are now two upstreams you can git fetch from; open your eyes, capitalism has gone too far!

by saghm

7/18/2026 at 5:02:25 PM

I just tried out tangled for the first time and unfortunately it seems buggy beyond being actually usable. I created a repo but can't look at it because I get a 404 for it. The login was quite painful as well as I needed several attempts to enter my atproto handle (copy-pasted every time, so no typo). But I'm glad more people are working on git hosting options.

by LukaD

7/18/2026 at 5:05:22 PM

> I created a repo but can't look at it because I get a 404 for it.

I remember back in early GitHub days this used to happen too, as the repository was asynchronously created but the redirect was immediate, then after a few seconds you refreshed the page and it was there. At one point they added the interstitial that I think is still there, that basically does the "waiting then redirect" for you.

by embedding-shape

7/18/2026 at 5:27:15 PM

Oh yes, seems like that's it. I can now view the repo. A bit annoying when creating a repo redirects you to a URL that will give you a 404 initially (and at least for minute or so, that's how long I tried).

by LukaD

7/18/2026 at 3:55:58 PM

if anyone has more info on tangled would love to hear. been looking for a decentralized git provider for a while. started self hosting but was missing the social element

by propstober

7/18/2026 at 4:08:45 PM

[Radicle](https://radicle.dev/) gets a wee bit closer. It’s selfhostable and federated. You’ll have a hard time finding something with the same social gravity well as GitHub; it remains to be seen whether that’s a separable element or if it needs to ship as part of the forge itself.

by Arubis

7/18/2026 at 5:02:47 PM

I’ve been testing Radicle and it’s more focused on the distributed protocol for federating git repos, I.e. the data plane. The social / coordination control-plane angle is really thin, following users and repos goes by opaque IDs, etc.

It could be a better solution for agents that don’t bounce off such mundane complexity. It could be better for private repo federation (eg private collective or agent swarm.)

I’m interested in Tangled for the OSS/community aspect, it seems to have an advantage there with the richer identity layer for humans.

by theptip

7/18/2026 at 5:43:49 PM

Issue and PR content are not social artifacts, they belong in the repo or at least its hosting instance. Likes and activity feed are the sort of thing that belongs in the social layer.

by jeremyjh

7/18/2026 at 9:58:22 PM

Issues and PR content are absolutely social artifacts, as they communicate information to others, whether opened by the repo owner or not. In fact, other people can interact with them, and are supposed to do so, which makes them even more inherently social.

by blackqueeriroh

7/18/2026 at 10:50:55 PM

The more important thing about issues & PRs is that they explain why the code is the way that it is. Knowing why the code is the way it is, is almost the entire reason we have a repository to begin with. They belong to the code, not some social graph.

Yes, code is largely about communication as well - with others as well as our future selves. That doesn’t mean it’s a social media experience. There are lots of ways to communicate that aren’t that.

by jeremyjh

7/19/2026 at 3:16:23 PM

Interesting point, I was thinking more about the latter, but you are right that issues and PRs are the more important piece.

It does look like Tangled currently does those in a weird way, ties to the issue owner rather than repo - but here’s a proposal to fix: https://leaflet.pub/p/did%3Aplc%3Axasnlahkri4ewmbuzly2rlc5/3...

Doing some weird distributed join across all your committer’s PDSs seems a bit weird, and the semantics of cross-referencing issues seems gnarly in that world.

I think I’d be OK to model a PR as a tweet, it’s more owned by the sender. But issues seem like they should be owned by the repo for sure.

by theptip

7/18/2026 at 6:21:12 PM

Can I interact with and discover any federated instance without having to know it exists?

My experience with Bluesky Vs Mastodon really showed that the friction of federation in the latter can really kill the experience for me. I think we need something like Signal is to WhatsApp but for GitHub and my impression is that the ATProto world is the only one with the potential to deliver this.

by Certhas

7/18/2026 at 4:47:46 PM

This looks like a much more sensible design for code repos: all the artifacts live in the repo.

by jeremyjh

7/18/2026 at 4:02:29 PM

I’d be interested too. Besides the fact that the company appears to be registered in Finland, I haven’t been able to find any information on who’s behind this, how they are funded, etc.

by p-e-w

7/18/2026 at 4:13:24 PM

https://blog.tangled.org/seed/

Similar groups to Bluesky (bain capital crypto) and some notable CEOs

GitHub's moat is not code hosting, they will need to build out the equivalent of Actions and figure out what private repos look like. Unclear how they intend to IAP with corporate identity systems, I have a hard time seeing ATProto break into that category.

by verdverm

7/18/2026 at 4:23:57 PM

> GitHub's moat is not code hosting

Of course not, it’s the number of people who are already signed up.

Instagram’s moat also most certainly isn’t a scrollable photo timeline.

by p-e-w

7/18/2026 at 4:32:42 PM

There's more to it than the number of people.

Actions, GitHub apps/external integrations, identity/permission management

The most significant, near-term, non-moaty gap is still private repos, which isn't all that big of a feature on the surface, but will have major work under the surface because of how bluesky is designing private spaces.

I also think being primarily nix/jj focussed turns a lot of people away. Those techs are not my cup of tea, so I don't see myself using tangled.

I'd be curious to hear tangled's thoughts on the path to financial sustainability. Without something that sounds plausible, I'm unwilling to migrate my code forge, for risk of going away / obsolescence.

by verdverm

7/18/2026 at 4:47:33 PM

I see it attracting more people than it dissuades. You can use jj as just a prefix for Git commands like jj git init. Yet you get supercharged repo navigation abilities. If obscelecene is your concern, jujutsu is VCS agnostic and doesn't have to use Git in the future.

Nix is as simple as it gets, even better than docker. Just 'nix run' whatever flake file someone gives you and everything works magically.

This codeforge going away can't happen for me because I self-host it.

by arikrahman

7/18/2026 at 4:32:48 PM

Oh they raised a pretty large seed. But they don’t seem to have a business model, or at least I cannot find details on how they plan to make an actual business

by dgellow

7/18/2026 at 4:47:02 PM

I'm not sure what's been published but as someone who plays with tangled as a hobby the immediate monetisation paths I could see are:

- Charging to bypass the (admittedly very reasonable) rate limits on the main appview

- Providing paid hosting tiers for private git knots, high traffic git knots, git LOP knots, CI runners/spindles, web page hosting (via their github pages equivalent), etc

- Introducing a paid-for and permissioned nix binary cache platform since their CI spindle system is already nix-first.

- providing paid PDS hosting for corporate/business customers with SSO integration etc.

- SLAs and support contracts

There's enough options here that they have a pretty flexible path towards profitability.

by OneDeuxTriSeiGo

7/18/2026 at 7:04:32 PM

There are always options, I’m interested to know what their actual plan is. Given that seed investment and who the investors are I would be worried they would try to extract value from people code by training on it

by dgellow

7/18/2026 at 4:03:07 PM

I think it's currently non-selfhostable. You can host your own git server (knot) and CI runner (spindle) but not really the UI/API itself, but they're working on changing it. Currently it's a bit centralised

by vixalien

7/18/2026 at 4:40:28 PM

It is self-hostable, but Tangled could disclose that great fact a bit more upfront.

by arikrahman

7/18/2026 at 5:21:50 PM

Github is fine. I know it has issues, but for the day to day random OS gig it has never failed me.

by phplovesong

7/18/2026 at 6:13:41 PM

Project's still on Github, it hasn't migrated or anything.

by jdiff

7/18/2026 at 4:11:10 PM

I'm willing to give Tangled a go too with a project, but feature set to bridge the gap still has a long way to go (no idea how long it'll take). Github outages (especially when just viewing repos!) are getting way too disrupting.

by jordand

7/18/2026 at 4:20:34 PM

Why Tangled instead of something more established like Codeberg, or if f/loss, Forgejo or Gitea?

Just because ATProto vibes?

by julianlam

7/18/2026 at 4:27:42 PM

disclaimer: i maintain tangled, some reasons to try might be:

- tangled federates: https://blog.tangled.org/federation

- native stacked PRs: https://blog.tangled.org/stacking

- tangled implements mitchell's vouch system: https://blog.tangled.org/vouching

by nerdypepper

7/18/2026 at 4:45:35 PM

> - tangled federates: https://blog.tangled.org/federation

People have been talking about federation across forges for a couple of years and seems like its finally at least close to being a real thing!? That's absolutely amazing!!

by benrutter

7/18/2026 at 5:05:47 PM

yep, I host two separate Tangled knots; one for my personal use and another for work at the Cambridge Computer Science department. Having large git repos on a server near me is great, and because I can sync the bare git repos it’s easy to run a local forge as well.

by avsm

7/18/2026 at 8:38:46 PM

What are some of the practical use cases of federation in git workflows ?

by ashu1461

7/18/2026 at 4:44:26 PM

It also has a pretty fundamental design flaw: issue /PR comments belong to the server where the commenter is hosted, not to the repo. I’m sure they will find a workaround but finding that reduced confidence they actually understand the problem they are solving.

by jeremyjh

7/18/2026 at 4:52:30 PM

this is changing very soon :)

see knot2[0] for some initial experiments: https://tangled.org/oyster.cafe/knot2

> As time goes on we are re-assessing the idea of users owning what is "collaborative data" (issues, PRs, etc.) on their PDSes - soon may come the day that an issue also lives on the knot as a source of truth, with an accompanying pointer record on user PDS to attest that it's theirs

by nerdypepper

7/18/2026 at 4:54:06 PM

We’re solving for this very issue. Issues & pulls will belong to the repo, backed by a “COB” (collaborative object) system.

by icy

7/18/2026 at 6:05:21 PM

> something more established like Codeberg, or if f/loss, Forgejo or Gitea?

Codeberg's git hosting is a Forgejo instance, actually.

by chaosharmonic

7/18/2026 at 4:37:10 PM

Yes, separation between git storage and identity. Very simple to use your own Knot instead of the default knot1, just enter your own website link to it. Not as beholden to Github downtimes that are out of your hands.

I was using Codeberg this morning, now I'm on Tangled. All I had to do was switch remote origin.

by arikrahman

7/18/2026 at 9:07:35 PM

Yes, frustration with GitHub outages certainly made me start to look elsewhere.

by lpil

7/18/2026 at 3:56:30 PM

How does tangled compare with codeberg? Seem like a cool project, wonder how the migration story is.

by arikrahman

7/18/2026 at 4:09:42 PM

I use both. Tangled is missing some important features (private repos, protected branches). The ui feels more comfy to me, though. And Codeberg is quite slow for me.

Idk if I can give you toooo much about migration, since I haven't used any CICD kind of stuff; just having repos to push to is super simple if you use their hosted knots. Also not too complicated to host a knot yourself; I'm hosting my own knot, and I like that I own at least one of the servers that I'm pushing code to.

by bpev

7/18/2026 at 5:17:28 PM

Tangled is also VC funded, something to consider.

by nicce

7/19/2026 at 12:01:32 AM

It doesn't really matter, you can host your own knot (git backend), spindle (CI/CD worker), and there are already alternative apps to access the same public, consumable records without centralized infra: https://untangled.wisp.place/

by aruff

7/19/2026 at 11:27:56 AM

It matters a lot. As seen with GitLab and countless other projects.

by nicce

7/19/2026 at 11:49:17 PM

The assumption here is that there's lock-in. But there is no lock-in. Architecturally, all of the data is controlled by you and available for any other tool to ingest. This is a crucial difference between ATproto apps and other modern web services.

by yakmol

7/19/2026 at 12:14:57 PM

I mean, it really just doesn’t here. Every part of the Tangled stack is open source, self-hostable, and interoperable. There are already clients that never hit Tangled infra.

If Tangled the company made a decision you didn’t like, you could continue to use the software and keep your social graph, repositories, etc. without them. That’s simply not true with GitLab, it’s a closed ecosystem by instance. Tangled is not that.

by aruff

7/18/2026 at 4:32:34 PM

I just switched to Tangled. It was actually very similar experience. I will be using Tangled henceforth!

by arikrahman

7/18/2026 at 7:20:25 PM

What makes Tangled different from other forges like Forgejo/Codeberg is that its built around the ATProto federation protocol

by preisschild

7/18/2026 at 8:52:45 PM

Except it isn't just working as a federation protocol here, it is also acting as an identity provider and a data store for you social interaction on a repo.

by opem

7/18/2026 at 5:16:10 PM

What's tangled? Which Gleam?

by HeavyStorm

7/18/2026 at 8:37:51 PM

Don't open the story, don't follow the links, and last but not the least don't read the texts!

by opem

7/18/2026 at 7:11:41 PM

What's a search engine?

by YorickPeterse

7/18/2026 at 5:28:29 PM

I guess this is one of those cases where, "if you know, you know."

I'm not sure of the link on the post though... I didn't see anything at all that jumped out as pertinent to this "Tangled" thing. I get that many posts on HN just aren't meant for me... but this seems to take that to an extreme.

Edit: yes I see the URL is Tangled... But that is a very subtle cue that I didn't notice until the third time I clicked through to see if the landing page really said nothing about Tangled.

by sbuttgereit

7/18/2026 at 7:52:50 PM

Smashly and GoFlam have merged.

Grimbl and Sporkify are joining forces.

GetSocks is now on Zoobazoop.

by schnebbau

7/18/2026 at 8:36:58 PM

Curtains for Zoosha? K-smog and Batboy caught flipping a grunt

by lolptdr

7/18/2026 at 7:16:20 PM

The linked page creates more questions than it answers. Do we need to disentangle this?

by manincharge

7/18/2026 at 4:33:55 PM

Wish a git forge would support both Actions and Gitlab CI pipelines. Reuse community workflows for simple actions, default to Gitlab CI for anything custom.

by gchamonlive

7/18/2026 at 4:44:44 PM

the way the CI runners on tangled work, you could just plug in your own bespoke runner as long as it fits the interface. we implement two such "engines": nixery and microvm. you can plug an engine like tack[0], which can act like a bridge interface to other CI systems. there is also loom[1], which is a kubernetes based engine.

[0]: https://tangled.org/mitchellh.com/tack

[1]: tangled.org/evan.jarrett.net/loom

by nerdypepper

7/18/2026 at 4:52:52 PM

The problem is that interface isn't enough when in Gitlab the CI natively integrates with other systems, like test reports displaying results in merge requests. This would certainly enable hybrid pipelines through.

by gchamonlive

7/18/2026 at 8:35:59 PM

Picture this: someone “moderates” your bluesky account for some unrelated reason and you’re no longer able to manage your own source codes…

by isodev

7/18/2026 at 10:16:49 PM

Depends on the type of moderation. Most moderation, which happens via labels on Bluesky, doesn’t prevent you from logging into your account. That would require a full suspension or ban, which is much rarer. And, as others have noted, you could just move to a different PDS. You don’t even have to self-host!

by blackqueeriroh

7/18/2026 at 11:29:36 PM

this is simply false: bluesky moderating your account will have no effect on what happens with it on tangled. on the off-chance that your account is hosted by bluesky's PDS AND your account gets deleted for violating their terms, yes, you will lose complete access to that account. you can avoid this by either following their TOS or hosting your own PDS or joining the tangled PDS instead.

by nerdypepper

7/19/2026 at 12:39:22 AM

or keeping your own plc rotation key and a backup of your user repo, then you can migrate even after bluesky issues a takedown on your user.

by neko-moe

7/18/2026 at 9:32:54 PM

This regularly happens with Microsoft's GitHub. You can also opt to not use Bluesky for authentication.

by lpil

7/18/2026 at 8:47:45 PM

If this is a concern you can just migrate to a different PDS

by videah

7/18/2026 at 9:33:40 PM

Apparently, that’s not enough. You will also need your own “app view” which means you will be self hosting an over engineered forge with social features you can’t use… so why go that road to begin with is beyond me tbh.

by isodev

7/18/2026 at 10:19:10 PM

This is incorrect. You don’t have to host your own tangled appvew to log into tangled without having your atproto account on Bluesky’s PDSes.

You CAN host your own Tangled AppView. You CAN host your own knot. You DO NOT have to in order to self host your own PDS. Each of these layers are decentralized from the other.

by blackqueeriroh

7/19/2026 at 3:21:45 AM

Nit pick: the layers are decoupled from each other, not decentralized. The data layer is internally decentralized. AppViews are a layer of centralized projections of the decentralized data layer.

by Zambyte

7/19/2026 at 12:04:52 AM

what do you think tangled is if not an alternative appview? Tangled moderation isn't affected by bluesky moderation at all unless your account is hosted by them and you do something highly illegal like posting CSAM (PDS moderation is mainly about legal-to-serve stuff). you don't need to use bluesky or have your account hosted on bluesky to use tangled.

by aruff

7/19/2026 at 1:13:35 AM

fwiw tangled itself is also an appview and they are gradually working on rebuilding it around their new XRPC oriented appview called bobbin.

The appeal of bobbin is it's fully stateless and pretty lightweight. IIRC you can run all the infra to run a proper tangled appview (including bobbin) all on your average lower middle end general purpose cloud instance.

by OneDeuxTriSeiGo

7/18/2026 at 8:42:40 PM

Isn't that the same as Github "moderating" my Github account for some unrelated reason? Also, since Bluesky is decentralised, can't I just host my own data?

by stavros

7/18/2026 at 9:36:19 PM

GitHub - sensible folks have more than one account with access to critical bits. The really important things are probably mirrored.

Bluesky’s decentralisation is a “yes but it’s complicated and you can’t _just_ do anything”. I like that they’re experimenting with “apps” but source control feels a bit too far.

by isodev

7/18/2026 at 10:19:41 PM

No it’s not! You’re just spouting falsehoods now.

by blackqueeriroh

7/18/2026 at 9:11:01 PM

this is like complaining that you can't login anywhere because google banned your gmail account...

by nasso_dev

7/18/2026 at 9:30:39 PM

And we don’t complain about that because nobody uses “sign in with google” for mission critical stuff. It’s absolutely a choice to tie all your things to a single corp.

by isodev

7/18/2026 at 11:20:25 PM

> nobody uses “sign in with google” for mission critical stuff

There are lots of organizations out there, even multi-billion-dollar ones, using Google Workspaces.

by yellowapple

7/18/2026 at 9:56:02 PM

im not even thinking about "sign in with google" here tbh im just thinking about how if google decides to block your access to gmail you won't be able to receive emails for things like verification codes, account recovery etc..

by nasso_dev

7/19/2026 at 3:14:31 AM

Gleam looks interesting, but I can't say I'm too impressed with Tangled... it won't even let me sign up.

by xedrac

7/19/2026 at 1:57:29 AM

First hearing about Tangled, interesting.

by gregjw

7/18/2026 at 7:37:11 PM

How are folks doing CI on tangled?

by vvern

7/18/2026 at 7:51:32 PM

With "spindles", apparently: https://blog.tangled.org/spindle-microvm/

by bewuethr

7/18/2026 at 8:39:04 PM

Lot of new buzzwords learned today.

by ashu1461

7/18/2026 at 8:58:57 PM

lol, true! Even for a single side project, that probably no one is gonna use, I often struggle for hours while choosing a name, meanwhile these folks...

by opem

7/18/2026 at 11:57:26 PM

That's the advantage of picking a theme. So the project is called tangled. So everything is string/web themed. Knots, spindles, bobbins, etc

by OneDeuxTriSeiGo

7/19/2026 at 12:59:00 AM

call me back when it's on Poob

by senderista

7/19/2026 at 8:28:59 AM

I have nothing to contribute other than pointing out that the kool aid drinkers in this thread all sound fucking insane.

What the fuck is this? It's a git repo. The interface pisses me off

by monster_truck

7/18/2026 at 8:31:39 PM

As someone who has no idea what either of these things are, this reads like a satirical headline. I get an email like this about my company's myriad platforms nearly daily

by kimbernator

7/18/2026 at 10:21:24 PM

Congratulations! You’re an adult on a website. If you do t know what something means, you have the ability to click the link and learn, which would’ve taken you far less time than this pointless snarky comment that’s been made so many times already.

At least try being original.

by blackqueeriroh

7/18/2026 at 9:36:31 PM

Flink has acquired Cajoo

by HtmlProgrammer

7/18/2026 at 11:38:13 PM

Tangled-ha... Now I know what the next one will be called.

by nullorempty

7/18/2026 at 4:23:29 PM

[dead]

by nicechianti

7/18/2026 at 6:58:00 PM

[flagged]

by atprotosucks

7/18/2026 at 7:31:43 PM

Wow I had no idea, thank you for your well-reasoned critique! I can tell you're very capable of evaluating the merits of complex socio-technological systems. Your wisdom is unparalleled; now I see we all should just keep using X and GitHub.

by johnecheck

7/18/2026 at 9:12:48 PM

GP just created an account to shitpost about ATProto out of desperation, what else can we expect from them. look at the username and account age, XD

by opem

7/18/2026 at 7:31:28 PM

This comment seems to lack nuance

by pfraze

7/18/2026 at 10:08:33 PM

[dead]

by atprotosucks

7/18/2026 at 9:09:07 PM

Not sure how good of a social protocol it is, but I see ATProto/PDS as a possible succesor to solid [1], if they implment the permissioned data access model correctly. Which would certainly have a lot of good usecases, beyond social apps.

[1] solid: https://solidproject.org/about

by opem

7/18/2026 at 8:56:53 PM

I agree (with caveats and not as strongly), but claiming no utility is a bit much.

by NetOpWibby

7/18/2026 at 10:30:15 PM

> They reinvented a worse Twitter (it failed)

Bluesky has 9-11x times the number of total users as Twitter did three years after its launch. It has somewhere between 15-20x the number of MAUs as Twitter had. It has not failed even a little bit.

> Now they're trying to reinvent a worse GitHub (not off to a great start)

You seem to think this is the same group of people who started Bluesky. You’re wrong. Not only that, you’ve failed to name how Tangled is a worse Github when the burden of proof is on you.

> Abandon AT proto - dumb idea, all empty ego on the part of the creators, no utility for the masses

Curious that the number of atproto accounts and users only seems to be growing, because that’s not what I’d expect if there was no utility for the masses.

by blackqueeriroh

7/19/2026 at 3:12:02 PM

Why not respond to OP? I don’t care enough for a debate.

by NetOpWibby

7/18/2026 at 7:38:59 PM

bubble-ass headline

by ianhanschen

7/18/2026 at 6:18:31 PM

"federation" has a certain stink to it, I regret creating an account just now. I didn't realize it was that type of website.

by sergiotapia

7/18/2026 at 8:50:13 PM

girl what

by starkruzr

7/18/2026 at 9:20:40 PM

I have no idea what Gleam or Tangled is, so for me this headline might as well be an article from The Onion satirizing HN. I also refuse to believe any of these two things are large enough, like say Postgres, that one can claim everyone should know it. Surely writing an informative headline for ”hackers in general” can’t be that difficult.

by hnarn

7/18/2026 at 9:28:14 PM

If you click on the title, it will tell you more.

Gleam has had many dozens of front page posts here.

Tangled is a niche GitHub alternative, but has also had previous history.

by paulddraper