alt.hn

7/6/2026 at 3:04:01 PM

Multilingual experience linked to delayed aging

 https://fens2026.abstractserver.com/program/#/details/presentations/5474

by bookofjoe

7/6/2026 at 4:06:35 PM

One thing I've never seen discussed on this topic (possible I just missed it, I only read popular accounts) is whether speaking multiple languages is a proxy for higher sociability / stronger social ties. That's a known dimension that improves health and aging and I wonder if just being able or interested in speaking with a broader swath of people is what helps more than the cognitive demands of switching.

by thisoneisreal

7/6/2026 at 4:41:09 PM

Raised multilingual here (as in father spoke one, mother spoke another, living abroad and US back and forth). I don't know about the stronger social ties but I have found that thinking in a different language helps me get to sleep easier. There are times when I'm spinning around in webs in English (work, life etc) at night, and when I switch over to Spanish thoughts I fall asleep easier.

Maybe just stuff like that is enough to make a difference.

by elpakal

7/6/2026 at 8:50:05 PM

> helps me get to sleep easier

I grew up speaking multiple languages. My monolingual friend once asked in which language I dream, and I said - "not sure, I think in all three different ones I'm currently fluent". "But how do you know?", he kept pressing. "Ah, well, they come with subtitles", I joked. But since then I often wonder, how do we recognize a language in our dreams?

by iLemming

7/6/2026 at 4:55:05 PM

That's nice, like the brain switching to "home mode" maybe?

by HPsquared

7/6/2026 at 4:55:18 PM

Learned some french recently, heavy bouts of insomnia due to moving / stress - I will try this advice exactly this night.

by barrenko

7/6/2026 at 5:11:59 PM

Switching into another language also helps if you are stuck in an environment where you do not want to pay attention (e.g. on a bus with blaring ads that you can't mute or with a rude neighbor yapping on their phone).

by cyberax

7/6/2026 at 5:34:01 PM

> One thing I've never seen discussed on this topic (possible I just missed it, I only read popular accounts) is whether speaking multiple languages is a proxy for higher sociability / stronger social ties.

Yes. This is exactly what you should be asking with this kind of stuff. The research is hopelessly confounded by social status traits that correlate with wealth.

And before anyone says it, the abstract claiming "adjustment for linguistic, physical, and sociopolitical exposome factors" is fine, but it's essentially impossible to control for something as pervasive as the effects of wealth, without randomization. There are also factors -- like the culture you grew up in -- that are equally difficult to control. For example, if your dataset has only X multi-lingual Americans, and 1000x multi-lingual Western Europeans, no amount of statistical massage will correct for the imbalance.

by timr

7/6/2026 at 4:39:44 PM

Learning German hasn't made me more sociable.

by comrade1234

7/6/2026 at 4:41:19 PM

But there was neurogenesis.

And, just thinking about other cultures

by westurner

7/6/2026 at 9:00:00 PM

But it still counters the claim that multilingualism is a proxy for high sociability. I speak two languages (and I'm working on a third) and most days I don't speak to anyone.

by fluoridation

7/6/2026 at 10:18:32 PM

99% of users are lurkers.

I also find myself exercising verbal skills possibly unnecessarily (with a language learning app that's certainly not immersion) but probably predictably.

I've heard that they say to exercise mental arithmetic skills if stranded on a desert island with no reading material; and that it's normal to develop self dialogue in solitary

by westurner

7/6/2026 at 5:04:20 PM

In my world, most multilingual speakers are children of immigrant families, and that transcends socio-economic boundaries. Plenty of immigrants were already wealthy before coming to the SF Bay Area, where we import highly educated, specialized workers. On the other hand, we also import physical laborers who are also generally multilingual but not in the same social class.

Some of these immigrants are very well supported with a strong social network, while others struggle with isolation.

by markerz

7/6/2026 at 5:19:24 PM

On first reading I assumed you meant the physical laborers would have the stronger social network, and the wealthy would be more isolated (true in my experience). But you may have meant just the opposite!

In fact it's two separate questions because it can go both ways, heavily.

Interesting food for thought, thanks for posting.

by paulsutter

7/6/2026 at 5:01:16 PM

Some peer criticism from: Vanhove, J. (2026). Does multilingualism really protect against accelerated ageing? Critical comments on Amoruso et al. (2025). Journal of Multilingual and Multicultural Development, 1–10.

"As the authors correctly point out in their discussion, their observational study does not allow them to establish any causal links between the degree of multilingualism in a country and the extent to which its inhabitants show signs of accelerated ageing. Unfortunately, they do not seem to have kept this insight in mind when they came up with the title (‘Multilingualism protects …’) and the abstract (‘These results underscore the protective role of multilingualism …’) that grabbed the media's attention."

"The authors use country-level data on multilingualism, namely the estimated percentage of monolinguals in the country (the Mono variable in BAG_OR_cross.csv), the estimated percentage of people in the country who know exactly one additional language (One), those who know exactly two additional languages (Two), and those who know at least three additional languages (Three), always at the time of data collection."

"According to a simple OLS regression model at the country level with the monolingualism percentage as its sole predictor, a 10-percentage-point difference in monolingualism is associated with a difference in the average GAP value of about 0.36 years (some 133 days; 95% CI: (58,207) days). If log-per-capita GDP is controlled for, a 10-percentage-point difference in monolingualism is associated with a difference in the average GAP value of about 0.29 years (some 105 days; 95% CI: (22,188) days)."

by Eisenstein

7/6/2026 at 4:45:26 PM

> Dr Amoruso said: “In simple terms, people who spoke more languages tended to have brains that looked younger than expected for their chronological age. The effect was not only related to the number of languages spoken. Higher language proficiency and earlier acquisition of a second language were also associated with more delayed brain ageing. This suggests that multilingual experience matters as a gradient: it is not simply about being bilingual or not, but about the depth and duration of language experience.”

https://www.fens.org/news-activities/news/speaking-another-l...

by ChrisArchitect

7/6/2026 at 4:08:03 PM

Sadly, this beneficial activity doesn’t look promising in the longterm. Real-time interpretation of foreign languages through earbuds is already available in its nascent phase, and China at least has begun cutting foreign-language programmes at its unis because such AI translation is seen as the way of future. Once this tool becomes adopted enough societally, the learning of foreign languages is going to become a very niche hobby. It’s already becoming a niche hobby when many developed-country Gen Z are content with traveling and working abroad with only a knowledge of English alongside their native language.

by TFNA

7/6/2026 at 4:26:12 PM

I think any multilingual person will be skeptical of your analysis. Translation is not a substitute for understanding the original. It's good that we have translations, but it isn't the same. As you get into consuming art, literature, poetry, commentary, this is relevant.

by asveikau

7/6/2026 at 6:45:12 PM

1) But for many people and in many situations, translation---including MT---is good enough. And that overcomes any perceived need to learn another language (which learning may be in opposition to learning something else, something perceived as more important).

2) Most people don't "consume" literature or poetry, and it's unclear to me that non-performance art requires language. (I appreciate Rennaissance painting, but apart from the occasional Latin writing I don't need language to understand it.)

Disclaimer: Besides English, I'm reasonably fluent in Spanish (more so 35 years ago when I last lived in a Spanish speaking country), and used to be reasonably fluent in German, French, Tzeltal and Shuar (and a bit of Italian and written classical Greek). So I have every reason to hope this study is correct. But I have my doubts.

by mcswell

7/6/2026 at 9:14:20 PM

Translation is good enough, but quite often no translation exists. MTL is at this point good enough for simple texts and for everyday living like restaurant menus and shopping, but any even mild complexity in a text, like long-running context (necessary for consistent translation of terminology), puns, purposeful ambiguity, etc., MTL is completely unable to cope with. It just doesn't work and it will likely never work.

by fluoridation

7/6/2026 at 5:04:02 PM

The AI will be able to do all that for you. What you're touching on is the difference between comprehension vs merely being a vessel for information.

by Thraway198

7/6/2026 at 5:14:23 PM

I'll give you a very simple example I saw recently. I saw a dad joke in Spanish on social media and it gave me a chuckle. It was a comment to a lawyer's video and it translates to "can I study law if I'm a leftie?" It relies on the fact that law is also a word for "right".

AI won't be able to succinctly translate that joke and have it hit the same way. As an experiment I just fed that into ChatGPT, and it did explain the pun in 6 paragraphs with quotations and a bulleted list, but that kills the simplicity of the humor.

by asveikau

7/6/2026 at 6:47:56 PM

I once saw a political cartoon that said "No votar basura." It played on the homophony between 'votar' = "to vote" and 'botar' = "to throw out."

That said, there are plenty of jokes in English. Stop me if you've heard this one...

by mcswell

7/6/2026 at 5:23:54 PM

It can't now. It will be able to in the future, when the translation actually becomes fluent for the user.

by Thraway198

7/6/2026 at 6:14:53 PM

My point is that a succinct and correct translation for the pun does not exist in the target language.

by asveikau

7/6/2026 at 4:27:46 PM

Learning a foreign language in order to get more out of art, literature, or poetry is already a very niche hobby and one risks being accused of snobbism or privilege for suggesting it. Art, literature (of the kind where learning the original language could be important), and poetry themselves are niche hobbies.

by TFNA

7/6/2026 at 4:29:20 PM

I don't know your history, but this sounds like a monolingual person not understanding and being arrogant about it. It's not a niche hobby if that's literally your life. Many people are not multilingual as a hobby, or as a choice.

by asveikau

7/6/2026 at 4:41:22 PM

they think art is a niche hobby and not the basis of human culture. I wouldn't listen too intently to them.

by tekno45

7/6/2026 at 4:43:54 PM

Art is perennial and omnipresent in human societies, but the sort of art that operates through a language foreign to the aficionado’s own, and learning that language would be beneficial to appreciation of it, is obviously going to be a niche subset of art.

by TFNA

7/6/2026 at 5:02:54 PM

basic puns and rhyming are niche forms of art?

by tekno45

7/6/2026 at 5:24:01 PM

If anything comedy is an excellent way of learning a language: the use of double and triple entendres helps to quickly get exposed to alternate meanings and misunderstandings of words. Comedy aimed at learners or multilinguals can also help, plenty of anglos who learned Spanish can relate to "feeling pregnant" early on :)

by estebank

7/6/2026 at 5:56:26 PM

Puns and rhyming can generally be translated across languages. I don't think its controversial to say that its possible to get most of what a piece of art is trying to say through a translation.

by Jtarii

7/6/2026 at 6:06:23 PM

Puns generally do not translate well.

Where they do, there needs to be a coincidence where words with multiple definitions happen to have the same meanings in both languages, or there happens to be a similar saying in the target language. Often this is not the case. Translators often just make up entirely new material to substitute in for that.

by asveikau

7/6/2026 at 4:33:50 PM

Did you not notice that I specified “developed-country Gen Z above” and also China? That was to leave a carve-out for the still very vibrant everyday multilingualism of the Indian Subcontinent, sub-Saharan Africa, etc. But for East Asia, Europe and most of Latin America, the trends speak for themselves. I am not monolingual, nor are many educated people of my generation, but younger people in my country are likely to learn only English alongside their native language (and then stop being curious).

by TFNA

7/6/2026 at 5:20:59 PM

Someone who can speak English on top of their mother tongue is already multilingual. Anecdotally, people who live anywhere close to a border in Europe tends to speak at least two languages, often more than two, regardless of class or profession.

In Latin America, most countries speak Spanish (with the obvious exception of Brazil and smaller colonies from the other European countries), so the every day pressure to learn another language isn't there and English becomes the "obvious" choice. I don't quite get why you seem to discount English entirely.

There's always been a Lingua Franca. It hasn't always been the same one. There will likely always be one.

by estebank

7/6/2026 at 4:52:00 PM

Culture is not only art. An LLM won't help you naturally drop you a "cuidao chacho que toy mu loco" nor "в жёлтом доме по тебе скучают", nor will it translate it into something that carries the exact meaning to you in English, nor reference any equivalent cultural element, for the foreseeable future. You'll need embeddings common life experiences, and even intonation can completely change the meaning even retaining the emphasis.

It will help you communicate, but not partake.

by fer

7/6/2026 at 5:17:09 PM

Let me tell you about a little thing called kpop. Korean language courses are booming.

by pebble

7/6/2026 at 5:12:33 PM

Even if the translation is perfect and "real-time", it comes with a significant latency that will make any conversation less natural. Good for some situations while traveling, not something you would want to rely on for everyday life.

by wibr

7/6/2026 at 4:45:15 PM

> China at least has begun cutting foreign-language programs because such AI translation is seen as the way of future. Once this tool becomes adopted enough societally, the learning of foreign languages is going to become a very niche hobby.

If this happens, professional or reliable translations will only be accessible to those who can afford/pay them, leaving everyone else stuck with the errors produced by LLMs.

To use machine translation, one have to know the language to review the output; otherwise, you're doomed to mistakes. Whatever you do with LLMs, the same thing will happen.

I would name all the marketing surrounding the A"I" as the LLM's blindness virus, or something similar.

by drtgh

7/6/2026 at 5:04:27 PM

Nah it'll be the same progression as llms.

by Thraway198

7/6/2026 at 5:02:57 PM

people learn by trial and error. ai output can be 50% accurate. it is still useful

by slim

7/6/2026 at 4:35:36 PM

This has been said for ages and, as a person in a very multilingual environment, I still cannot see it happening, no matter how good the translations are. I may be wrong, but talking through translation earbuds seems dystopic and uncomfortable.

by amunozo

7/6/2026 at 4:58:14 PM

there's also no substitute for the reduced inferential distance when two people speak the same language. the literal meaning of words encodes just a subset of the communication

by yulker

7/6/2026 at 5:05:03 PM

but for people in unilingual environments, this tech seems like a miracle

by Thraway198

7/6/2026 at 7:11:34 PM

Mass market GPS navigation devices haven't made learning how to navigate a city like a local obsolete. If you've ever seen a gig economy driver get lost despite having step by step instructions...

by supertrope

7/6/2026 at 4:57:58 PM

China does this, because significant amount of foreign companies have left or plan to leave China.

by feverzsj

7/6/2026 at 4:39:09 PM

> Once this tool becomes adopted enough societally, the learning of foreign languages is going to become a very niche hobby.

That could a long time or it could be a very different implementation than the one you describe. Half of the world knowing 2 or more languages and that has been growing over time. I don’t see the evidence that technology will soon close the gap of speaking and understanding another language when in comes to communicating with family, music, business, participating in community events, volunteering, or even intimacy.

by aiisjustanif

7/6/2026 at 5:54:49 PM

That seems like saying weightlifting is pointless because we have robots for lifting and moving things around. But lifting weights can improve health and lifespan. It may also be that thinking in another language is different from merely translating because of the idioms and cultural norms and references involved.

by m0llusk

7/6/2026 at 5:23:58 PM

With AI there will always be people who learn more, faster using AI. And there will be people who use AI to avoid learning. When moving abroad, I hope folks will do the former (and the latter as tourists).

When I move back to Japan I'll wear something like Even Realities glasses, and when unknown vocabulary gets used, display that. Personally I think this will help me learn better than before. But let's wait and see!

I'm very hopeful about learning-acceleration tools. Just think what will be possible with Neuralink.

by paulsutter