alt.hn

6/27/2026 at 4:16:20 PM

Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

 https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/06/anthropic-claims-alibaba-defied-trump-to-attack-claude-and-steal-capabilities/

by logickkk1

6/27/2026 at 6:59:09 PM

> Anthropic wants firms like Alibaba punished

Do they care what we want? Im happy that China is copying the models and make them available for everyone, with 1/10 of it's price.

by SeriousM

6/27/2026 at 7:58:11 PM

Do they hear themselves ? We steal better, but don’t steal from us :)

by bicepjai

6/27/2026 at 7:23:05 PM

Competition is supposed to be the safety net of capitalism that ensures high quality and low prices. Distillation is not illegal. They're just using the LLM in a lawful way. So yes we all should thank the capitalist Chinese labs for helping the consumer in a win-win fashion.

This military strategy talk is not interesting to anyone other than Anthropic AI researchers who decide to work there.

by bofadeez

6/27/2026 at 7:40:58 PM

This. I find distillation way more ethical than piracy. The U.S. already jumped the gun by making this stuff not copyrightable. We should of instead held these companies liable. It's not like the research they did in the process was for naught. They (U.S. AI companies) could of sourced legal material without stooping to the same lows that China and other nations are willing to go to. All in the name of a buck.

Anyways - I pay for z.ai, Opencode Go, Ollama Cloud. I love me some distilled models.

by recursivegirth

6/27/2026 at 6:52:25 PM

I don’t know much about the ins and outs of LLMs, but if something can be reversed engineered that quickly. What exactly is the large moat that makes them worth 1trillion?

by bdavid21wnec

6/27/2026 at 7:21:56 PM

They have none. Google came to the same conclusion years ago.

by Daishiman

6/27/2026 at 5:51:19 PM

Yeah. The "I don't care" line from The Fugitive comes to mind.

by androiddrew

6/27/2026 at 5:39:44 PM

How many accounts Anthropic used to mine the web

by d0mine

6/27/2026 at 5:39:12 PM

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by teddyX

6/27/2026 at 6:20:18 PM

Oh no! The company that both stole all it's training data and claims to want to build the most ethically oriented machine cares whether other humans are using it to do their own thing!

It kinda seems like Anthropic and the trump administration are doing some bizarre kabuki theatre.

by cyanydeez

6/27/2026 at 7:31:58 PM

Neither Anthropic nor anyone in the Trump administration can hold a candle to kabuki theatre.

(I know that's not what you meant, but still! Art, the LLM and the Trump admin cannot.)

Anyway yeah this is beyond absurd of them to fuss about this. Oh no, the thieves that stole from checks notes basically everbody have been robbed of the stolen goods and nooow they care about copyright, huh, how shocking. I'm sure they'll settle all their court cases with artists and admit fault now, right? ...right?

Yeah no, fuck 'em.

by hogwasher

6/27/2026 at 4:38:56 PM

Actors, musicians, and writers are all playing the world’s smallest violin right now.

by SonOfKyuss

6/27/2026 at 5:35:24 PM

This. Lolllll

It’s so sad no one is going to shed a single tear

by happyPersonR

6/27/2026 at 6:37:49 PM

you can reverse engineer the whole thing with just 25k accounts?

don’t let the stock market hear that.

by pixiemaster

6/27/2026 at 7:07:46 PM

The stock market rewarded SpaceX with a record breaking IPO valuation for promises that it would too offer a thing that could be reverse engineered with just 25k accounts. Possibly in space. The stock market doesn’t care.

by gentlewater

6/27/2026 at 7:11:34 PM

SpaceX’s value proposition is far more than AI.

by adastra22

6/27/2026 at 8:45:21 PM

Far more ludicrous, that is.

by moogly

6/27/2026 at 6:42:28 PM

Alien vs predator.

by dude250711