alt.hn

6/20/2026 at 4:07:03 AM

Satellite reveals immense scale of GPS signal tampering

 https://www.space.com/space-exploration/satellites/its-quite-a-bit-more-than-we-expected-satellite-reveals-immense-scale-of-gps-signal-tampering

by y1n0

6/20/2026 at 8:21:38 AM

Ops.group published a report on GPS spoofing back in 2024.[1] It's bad. Ops.group is an organization for dispatchers and pilots, the people who decide the routes aircraft take and fly them. They are really angry about it. Key concerns:

- The greatest safety concern is the degraded functionality of the Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS). The system does not operate correctly after spoofing, even if GPS coverage is restored. The number of false alerts is astounding. ...

- A similar concern is the significant possibility of the GPS Receiver appearing normal to flight crew after spoofing, but in reality being contaminated with false data. ...

- This year, a 500% increase in spoofing has been observed. On average 1500 flights per day are now spoofed, versus 300 in Q1/Q2 of 2024...

They included maps. Most of the Middle East and parts of Eastern Europe no longer have useful GPS coverage. It's not just jamming. There's active spoofing, which sends out false position info.

And this was before the Iran war.

Before this, everybody in the industry thought GPS solved the aerial navigation problem. In the US, the FAA wanted to shut down many of the old radionavigation aids. Now, there's a lot more interest in improving the other systems. The military wants to go mostly inertial and is working on better inertial systems.

[1] https://ops.group/dashboard/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/GPS-S...

by Animats

6/20/2026 at 9:17:59 AM

Bigger WTF is why critical systems still use unencrypted gps signal. It is like using plain SMTP emails for banking transactions, and relying on "sender" for authentification.

by bebe83939

6/20/2026 at 8:43:15 AM

> Before this, everybody in the industry thought GPS solved the aerial navigation problem.

Many people in industry believed this but no one with a brain ever did. The vulnerability of GPS has been cause for concern for a long time, and the decimation of the VOR network has always had a lot of people up in arms.

by _moof

6/20/2026 at 6:55:50 AM

> Gunning says that, with the superior strength of the PNT signal transmitted by the company's planned LEO constellation, existing jammers would only be able to affect about 5% of the area they can currently disrupt. "The effect of the jamming is going to be reduced to a smaller radius," Gunning said. "The degradation area will go down, and the full lock-out radius will also go down."

Will this suddenly make offending countries scramble for an alternative?

by navigate8310

6/20/2026 at 6:50:07 AM

GPS tampering “data” from a company who’s upcoming tech is advertised to solve the problem their data shows is indeed a problem, and coincidentally also raised their 170M series C

by random3

6/20/2026 at 7:03:18 AM

Competing with four free GNSS constellations is an interesting business model for sure...

by fsh

6/20/2026 at 8:28:20 AM

I would guess the business model is 'pay us and we'll give you the encryption key to our coded transmissions'.

Those coded transmissions are far harder to jam unless you have the key. So it's all about selling to as many customers as possible whilst having not a single customer leak the key.

That's why militaries use keys that rotate daily and won't let anyone else use the military signal.

by londons_explore

6/20/2026 at 8:41:04 AM

Why wouldn't they use public key cryptography for that?

by amanaplanacanal

6/20/2026 at 9:05:43 AM

Your satellite doesn't want to be sending out lots of different signals - due to a limited power budget.

So you have to send out one (or maybe a couple) of signals protected by a key.

Yes, you can distribute that key individually to clients using public key cryptography over the same link (and many services like pay TV do exactly that).

But fundamentally any client who is able to decrypt the main stream can also share the key with someone evil who can use that info to jam the same stream.

by londons_explore

6/20/2026 at 8:11:52 AM

And starlink...

by himata4113

6/20/2026 at 7:15:50 AM

Is GNSS jamming really as bad a problem as the article makes it seem?

The article itself reads like guerilla advertising so I'm inclined not to take it at face value.

by kitchi

6/20/2026 at 7:26:28 AM

I also read the same guerilla advertising for an alternative between the lines. If I understood it correctly from the article, the alternative itself is basically more of the same, but with a stronger signal.

So they basically will launch 300 satellites with an alternative that will face the exact same issues once jamming output signals increase too?

by Jur

6/20/2026 at 8:29:41 AM

Near a warzone with consumer hardware? Yes.

Military hardware uses different signals, encryption, more advanced receivers, etc etc, but these things are on ITAR lists and not shared with the public.

It's a little surprising to me that there's a commercial venture that has been allowed to provide these things to the public at some point.

by colechristensen

6/20/2026 at 7:45:56 AM

> When we fly over North America, for example, we see a beautiful signal all the time

I think by “fly”, they mean several hundred km in the air where you have sharply reduced below-the-horizon blocking.

Anyone got any leads on Doppler shift detecting equipment? Not hard to detect you’re getting spoofed or jammed with based on that. Power levels being all improbable wouldn’t be hard to detect either. Difficult to detect if “tuned” to a particular target but blanket spoofing would be hard.

Then at the consumer level, fallback options exist (hi wifi); but having something more local would be nice. FM radio stations maybe? Can mess with those too ofc. AM systems are already a fallback in aviation for gross navigation.

A private GNSS constellation has very business cases.

by Scoundreller

6/20/2026 at 8:24:57 AM

>Anyone got any leads on Doppler shift detecting equipment?

All radio receivers? Detecting the radio doppler frequency shift for satellites is kinda trivial.

Spoofing/jamming systems also trivially include doppler shifts. The more someone is trying to interfere with your specific location, the harder it is to defeat the spoofing.

by colechristensen

6/20/2026 at 8:23:42 AM

Looks like this is mostly marketing for the services of this new constellation...

by londons_explore

6/20/2026 at 6:52:12 AM

The worst ad ridden website I’ve ever seen.

by skeptic_ai

6/20/2026 at 7:30:34 AM

It’s jammed!

by mnky9800n

6/20/2026 at 6:55:20 AM

I honestly see this jamming as a win. GNSS is a global blanket opt-in American spyware.

by vachina

6/20/2026 at 6:58:06 AM

GNSS receivers are passive devices that receive beacons broadcasted from the satellites. It's technically impossible to spy on someone with GNSS.

by fsh

6/20/2026 at 8:34:35 AM

And 99.99% of those GNSS receivers are connected to the internet. Or are in proximity to an (American controlled/designed) internet connected device.

by vachina

6/20/2026 at 7:06:55 AM

My pedantic self says GNSS includes other non-US constellations such as GLONASS, Galileo and Beidou, and they flew those satellites because they don't fully trust US GPS

by minetest2048

6/20/2026 at 8:18:12 AM

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by ggm