alt.hn

4/17/2026 at 8:14:30 PM

Up to 8M Bees Are Living in an Underground Network Beneath This Cemetery

https://www.discovermagazine.com/up-to-8-million-bees-are-living-in-an-underground-network-beneath-this-cemetery-48977

by janandonly

4/20/2026 at 8:42:41 AM

This is the study itself, which is much better, including photos of the equipment in the cemetery: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13592-026-01256-6

The only illustration in this article is a photo of a bee, not the cemetery, and when I turned my adblocker off the white spaces I thought might be images are all the same advert about apnea with a guy lolling around in bed with his mouth agape.

by frereubu

4/20/2026 at 9:06:51 AM

> > In the classic model of sex ratio evolution, Fisher (1958) predicted that population-wide investment in male and female offspring (as measured by biomass) should approach equality in panmictic populations. In most bees, males are smaller than females, meaning that populations are expected to be numerically male-biased, but to test the hypothesis of equal investment, one needs to consider differences between males and females in adult body weight, or some other measure of offspring "cost". To calculate investment sex ratio in the emerging population of Andrena regularis, we combined numerical sex ratio data from emergence traps with body weight data for male and female A. regularis. Average weights of the male and female A. regularis were calculated by weighing 24 dried specimens of each sex

Why do we want to measure this in dry weight? Water is also a resource, one that takes a good amount of work to supply to a beehive.

Is this more of a situation where...

- We believe that differences in water allocation are significant to the question, but we also believe that all bees receive allocations proportional to their dry weight;

- We believe that differences in water allocation are not significant to the question, because there is effectively unlimited water available and every bee can have as much as they want without affecting any other bees; or

- We believe that differences in water allocation are significant to the question, but we're measuring something else because we don't know how to measure the water allocation?

by thaumasiotes

4/20/2026 at 10:18:29 AM

Not my area of expertise but I expect that water is disproportionately heavy and ephemeral while protein and fat is extremely resource intensive in comparison. I also expect its presence to greatly complicate specimen handling since humidity, airflow, and time since collection would then matter whereas dry weight shouldn't vary over time.

So my guess is that including it would increase variance and error without offering any benefit.

by fc417fc802

4/20/2026 at 4:39:44 PM

These aren't a kind of bees who build hives, and dead bees dry out on their own for no longer drinking water. Drying them to a specific set humidity removes a confounder.

(Are you a hobby beekeeper, by chance? I notice those pretty reliably fail to attend or care about the existence of any Hymenoptera, save their own invasive livestock.)

by throwanem

4/20/2026 at 1:30:26 PM

"Underground network" in the title but "They live alone..." in the article. I don't care enough to look it up but it sounds like its not a network they are just ground dwelling bees that live in close proximity to other bees, and the author needed a click-bait-y title.

by khat

4/20/2026 at 11:43:46 AM

New burial form unlocked: casket designed for ideal ingress/egress for soil living creatures, including ground dwelling bees and wasps.

by Schlagbohrer

4/20/2026 at 2:14:23 PM

They only burrow to a depth of about one foot.

by chromacity

4/20/2026 at 10:05:29 AM

The bees live alone and do not seem to socialize in any way, so this is not a “network” or “city”. The study says “aggregation” which is more appropriate.

by massysett

4/20/2026 at 1:49:18 PM

> about 68 degrees Fahrenheit (20 degrees Celsius)

Pet peeve: When the original source had only one significant figure ("20 degrees", probably the scientist rounded to the nearest 10 because it's approximate), but the reporter translates it to another unit with more ("68 degrees", makes it sound more exact).

This shows up all over the place. Temperatures quoted in Fahrenheit always seem more exact, just because naturally whatever science they originate from was inevitably done in Celsius and then someone else converted the number without understanding significant figures.

68°F in particular shows up all over the place (like, it's the recommended thermostat setting in the winter to save energy), and it sounds like it's some sort of exact thing, but usually "about 70°F" would be a more accurate representation of the original source.

Also we say that human body temperature is 98.6°F, and a fever is 100.4°F or higher. Wow those numbers are so exact! Four significant figures on the second one! But actually these just map to 37°C and 38°C. Americans are constantly unsure if 99.0°F counts as a fever but the rest of the world probably understands 37.2°C is not...

by kentonv

4/20/2026 at 2:07:52 PM

In Celcius, it's less common to round to the nearest 10 degrees (or say things like "in the twenties" as you might with Fahrenheit), because that makes a much larger difference than it does in Fahrenheit. So I wouldn't necessarily assume that "20 degrees" only has one significant digit unless it's explicitly stated. (I haven't checked the original paper, though.)

However, converting something like 21°C to 69.8°F is indeed silly and should just be 70°F.

by twiss

4/20/2026 at 2:29:06 PM

Welp, it's time for a Candyman remake that works this cemetery into the lore.

by traeregan

4/20/2026 at 7:57:45 AM

"where they live out their entire lives below ground, building nests, raising young, and going mostly unnoticed." How do they feed?

And later the article contradicts this by saying they go above ground.

I'm confused.

by KingOfCoders

4/20/2026 at 8:17:52 AM

They live beneath the ground (nest building, building the nests, raising the young, etc) and go above ground to feed. No much different from building hives in caves and then buzzing about in the outside.

by solarengineer

4/20/2026 at 11:18:56 AM

I guess that is a pretty smart place to set up your home.

by smalltorch

4/20/2026 at 3:56:23 PM

From the artistic standpoint, any chance we could get John Carpenter to do something with this premise?

by lenerdenator

4/20/2026 at 12:05:11 PM

Beads?

by saw-lau

4/20/2026 at 5:44:54 PM

i'm not on board

by bagpuss

4/20/2026 at 8:55:45 AM

Leave them alone

by chakintosh

4/20/2026 at 12:20:33 PM

I don't think the neighbors are likely to raise a stink. Any longer.

by tclancy

4/20/2026 at 1:24:58 PM

This will probably be a new form of markup for funeral companies. Get the new “bee proof” coffin.

by tombert