4/13/2026 at 3:02:36 PM
I gave up on it once I discovered https://zellij.dev/Just even for how tab and panes are setup, and how it's good for scrolling and text selection with your mouse for copy pasting.
by ndr
4/13/2026 at 8:56:58 PM
<button type="button" class="download-hover" onclick="location.href='https://github.com/zellij-org/zellij/releases/latest/downloa...'"> linux download </button>Screaming into the void, I guess, but PSA. Don't use buttons for links. In my case, I couldn't right-click and copy the URL, but there are a lot of other reasons not to do this.
by clintonc
4/14/2026 at 4:41:06 AM
It also breaks a lot of a11y tooling. It really helps a lot of people when developers care about semantic html.I personally suggest web devs to install axe devtools [0] in their dev browser profile. Also, LLMs have gotten to the point that even the small local models can help a lot [1].
[0]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/axe-devtools/
[1]: Gemma 4: https://pastebin.com/Mjm1Vx4C
by patates
4/14/2026 at 7:54:27 AM
Whether this should be a button or link from an A11Y perspective is... kind of up in the air.There's an argument that links are "portals" that take you somewhere, while buttons cause some action to happen, Whether you treat a file as a resource (which your browser just chooses to save on disk instead of rendering on screen), or whether you treat it as an explicit "download" action, is a matter of semantics I guess.
by miki123211
4/14/2026 at 8:24:31 AM
<a href='...' download>...</a>by rpastuszak
4/13/2026 at 6:49:27 PM
The only (deal breaker for me ) weakness of zellij - doesn't support copy/paste from the keyboard (from the screen/scrollback) and doesn't support multiple copy/paste buffers.I do that roughly every 60-90 seconds with tmux - so, until the zellij developers relent (they suggest the "proper way" of copy paste is to pipe the data into a text editor and use that - but has the downside of not supporting system copy-paste buffers.) - no options other than to stick with tmux (or fork zellij - but that seems a bit much....)
by ghshephard
4/13/2026 at 8:44:38 PM
Zellij has some controls for how copy/paste is handled. Perhops these could help you in the future? Link: https://zellij.dev/documentation/options.html#copy_commandby evanjrowley
4/14/2026 at 1:14:11 AM
It does - and we spent an hour or so reading through the code and affordances to see if there might be a possible path.The general response is that this user behavior, selecting/copying/saving-in-named-buffer is a very "tmux" like usage pattern the Zellij authors don't want to encourage in Zellij. Instead -they suggesting bringing your preferred Text Editor (emacs, vim, etc...) and doing the select / copy /paste in that.
The problems for me are - (A) I know how to select/copy/paste very well in tmux. Don't have the faintest clue how it's done in a text editor, (B) No (easy) ability to have multiple named buffers if you use a text editor, etc...
I summarized them here: https://github.com/zellij-org/zellij/issues/947#issuecomment...
by ghshephard
4/14/2026 at 8:27:44 AM
This is also the dealbreaker for me, I use copy / paste from the scrollback buffer all the time. And also quick search through the scrollback buffer. I don't want to first pipe all the output to an editor or pager or something; that messes with the terminal colors, indentation, and it's an extra step, making the whole process slower and more tedious.But I guess Zellij people don't use the keyboard so much for copy pasting. A lot of people just use the mouse.
by gitaarik
4/13/2026 at 5:38:52 PM
I have a few embedded devices where flash space is limited. tmux is so much smaller than zellij, and it's not even close.Zellij is close to 50 megabytes, but tmux and all dependent libraries (minus libc, it's always there) is about 2 megabytes.
by fullstop
4/14/2026 at 10:18:40 AM
Screen is only 280Kb (armv7), statically compiled with curses. That's about 6-9 times smaller compared to tmux.by mokoshhydro
4/14/2026 at 2:07:07 AM
> Zellij is close to 50 megabytes,That's a Rust thing. It's what happens when you statically link because you monomorphise everything.
by rstuart4133
4/14/2026 at 5:02:47 PM
And the Rust practice of everything needing at least 300 libraries. It's slowly getting to JS levels of insanity.by Pay08
4/14/2026 at 6:04:50 AM
One of the reasons I went Zig for nowby pmarreck
4/13/2026 at 5:23:31 PM
I have been using zmx for the last 2 weeks. It's still a bit buggy (screen repainting) but quite pleasant to use with ghostty.by senderista
4/14/2026 at 7:34:11 AM
Thanks! Interesting to read the rationale behind it [0] which in short is, try not to use what is basically a terminal emulator within a terminal emulator, and window management should be done by the terminal emulator. I primarily use tmux for session persistence (in ssh sessions) anyhow, and still default to my muscle memory for new tabs/windows in the window manager. I haven't tried it yet. The proof of the pudding will be in eating it I suppose.by ThisNameIsTaken
4/13/2026 at 9:49:49 PM
Thanks for the report, I heard about it recently and was wondering how buggy it was since it's very new. I'll probably still try it soon.by modeless
4/13/2026 at 6:18:52 PM
I did the same, however, I recently switched back because zellij has just gotten too annoyingly bloated. I ended up on tmuxp to build my tmux session and autossh to keep me connected to my various ssh sessions and am much happier.by snapplebobapple
4/14/2026 at 3:14:04 PM
I clicked and instantly gave up on Zellij due to the horrible design fails on the first page supposed to introduce the software to the user.upfront breaking the basic expectation of having a clickable link is enough for me to know that this piece of software is badly designed and is not worth my time.
by bigbugbag
4/13/2026 at 6:31:36 PM
Once I discovered window managers and graphics, I stopped using half-baked features to emulate them in the terminal.I use tmux to reattach to programs after the network connection dies, and not really anything else. I would welcome a version of it that stripped out everything but that, and just replayed the last few pages of scrollback on reattach.
by ori_b
4/13/2026 at 11:41:01 PM
I use tmux for everything because I work in a headless VM where a WM isn't available.by dbu21
4/14/2026 at 8:57:17 AM
I ssh in multiple times. If I really needed to, I suppose I could use vnc.by ori_b
4/14/2026 at 2:57:19 AM
You don't have a window manager hosting the terminal window on your host OS? That's the argument being made here, you're already in some kind of tiling or windowed environment, why replicate all of that on the remote?by Zetaphor
4/14/2026 at 7:22:32 AM
Because with tmux you can reattach to session from another pc or from a phone and still have the same windows and panes?by npodbielski
4/14/2026 at 1:08:28 AM
I'm in the same boat and https://github.com/neurosnap/zmx has been working very well for me.by y1zhou
4/14/2026 at 12:52:01 PM
Using mosh would help specifically with the network reconnection piece.by hrimfaxi
4/14/2026 at 12:19:54 PM
I use iTerm2 with tmux CC mode. Works great and gives native tabs and panes.by veber-alex
4/13/2026 at 6:41:16 PM
> I would welcome a version of it that stripped out everything but that, and just replayed the last few pages of scrollback on reattach.Like `dtach`?
by setopt
4/13/2026 at 6:48:40 PM
Thanks. Dtach is definitely closer to what I want than tmux, I'll be trying it out this week.by ori_b
4/13/2026 at 7:28:28 PM
Check out shpool, whose tagline is "Think tmux, then aim... lower" :-)by ssivark
4/14/2026 at 12:26:57 AM
Unless I'm misreading this, I would also offer `mosh` as a recommendation. Has been nothing but excellent for my use cases.by andrewSC
4/14/2026 at 10:57:55 AM
zmosh is zmx+moshby dolmen
4/13/2026 at 7:29:03 PM
window manager like what though?Mac WM is horrible, I use aerospace to make it tolerable
by ndr
4/13/2026 at 8:18:24 PM
i3, dwm, hyprland etc...by kelvinjps10
4/13/2026 at 3:34:37 PM
100%. Tmux didn’t click for me but Zellij did within 5 minutes. Lifelong Vim user so it felt a lot more familiar.by hesdeadjim
4/13/2026 at 3:37:33 PM
Cool, I'm one of the lucky ten thousand today. Thanks.by dns_snek
4/13/2026 at 3:51:55 PM
Context: https://xkcd.com/1053/Then, if you're like me and read this years ago, play around with the Light Mode dropdown which was new to me. :)
by soraki_soladead
4/13/2026 at 5:03:04 PM
> play around with the Light Mode dropdown which was new to me. :)It's this year's April Fools' joke: https://xkcd.com/3227/ :P
by grgergo
4/14/2026 at 1:47:18 AM
Just use byobu, zellij does weird things, byobu just uses tmux (or screen) and has a sane mouse TUIby heavyset_go
4/13/2026 at 10:00:44 PM
I tried zellij and it feels like its ui was designed by someone raised in the world of blade runner 2049by semiinfinitely
4/14/2026 at 12:06:03 AM
Last time I tried zellij, a bunch of the default keybinds conflicted with default commands, or maybe vim commands, I can't remember. But the "solution" back then was constantly jumping in and out of "locked" mode, where no zellij keybindings except unlock work.Didn't seem worth it, considering the giant footprint in comparison to tmux.
by LinXitoW
4/14/2026 at 10:22:19 AM
I really don't like tools that are not distributed via official package managers like apt / apk.by moontear
4/14/2026 at 3:50:11 AM
Zellij still can't hide/show the status bar on the fly[1] and doesn't support windows preview in the windows list mode. Just these two (and many more) things are enough to stop me from migrating from tmux.by xvilka
4/14/2026 at 5:16:25 AM
You can't rebind plugin maps, so the session picker uses my preferred unlock chord to create a session. Dev had no interest in changing that.by imbnwa
4/14/2026 at 6:03:09 AM
Tried it. It’s certainly prettier and has a few unique features but a number of corner cases I depend on in tmux simply don’t work so back I wentAlso, can’t really stand the name.
by pmarreck
4/13/2026 at 5:59:52 PM
I tried tmux so many times, could not commit the sequences to memory, but then zellij was just out of the gate, easy to "discover," and then I started writing plugins (rust wasm), and I even submitted a PR which got accepted to support background colors in panes/tabs.I am a monthly donor, I think it has the right balance of community plus the lead dev has a vision, opinionated but open to inputs, and focused.
by kator
4/14/2026 at 6:06:43 AM
> could not commit the sequences to memoryFirst thing I did was customize all the input commands and configuration with LLM assistance. Smooth as butter.
by pmarreck
4/13/2026 at 3:07:34 PM
I used tmux for a few years, until one day I discovered Zellij. With its significantly better UI and overall user experience, I was instantly convinced.by llagerlof
4/13/2026 at 3:12:07 PM
This comment would be a lot more convincing if it weren't in response to one expressing the same sentiment :-)by nDRDY
4/13/2026 at 3:24:35 PM
It is actually true though, I only use tmux nowadays when I am SSHed into a server that I need to do some work on.The only issues I've had with it is that sometimes it's hot keys conflict with vim, but you can easily turn it temporarily off with ctrl+ g.
If you're already used to tmux I'm not sure you would benefit much from changing, but it definitely has a better out of the box with pane hints, names, and more user friendly hot keys.
by azthecx
4/13/2026 at 4:48:24 PM
Maybe give terminal windows in vim a try? vim is not a terminal multiplexer, but if all you need is multiple terminals windows::term to open a terminal in a new vim window (or :vert term)
Standard window movements apply (by default the window prefix is Ctrl-W), most important are: Ctrl-W,{hjkl} to switch between windows, Ctrl-W,{<>+-} to resize windows, Ctrl-W,{HJKL} to move windows to edges, Ctrl-W,{qc} to (force) close windows
Enter normal mode of a terminal buffer with Ctrl-W,N: now you can perform vim motions and scroll the output
Enter insert mode with i and you can type into the terminal again
In insert mode: Ctrl-W "x to paste register x, Ctrl-W . to send a literal Ctrl-W. If too annoying, you can change the window prefix of vim
This goes for vim, neovim also has a terminal mode but it works differently I think
by brewmarche
4/14/2026 at 6:10:23 AM
> user friendly hot keysI see everyone complaining about this but as a new tmux user as of a few months ago, I had an LLM assist me with configuring it how I wished and it did a bang-up job. Stuff like using “-“ to split horizontal and “|” to split vertical so you don’t even have to remember it…
by pmarreck
4/13/2026 at 4:25:58 PM
i tried both and i honestly... i didn't see anything different.i want tmux for three things:
1. easy splits
2. easy scrollback
3. being able to restart a session if my terminal dies
given all that, tmux works exactly as expected.
what are all these "significantly better ui and overall ux"?
by fernandotakai
4/13/2026 at 5:41:03 PM
There's a number of people who effectively use tmux as their window manager - one terminal window doing literally everything. Locally as well as remotely, but it's more... understandable for remote, where other options are often worse or nonexistent.For them, there's as much variety of desires as for any other window manager, and there are tons of those. But terminal ones are usually significantly easier to configure in wild ways due to having fewer (but more powerful) knobs to tweak, so a fair number choose just one and configure the heck out of it.
by Groxx
4/13/2026 at 7:34:28 PM
My terminal (terminator) does (2) and the "easy" scrollback on tmux messes up the ability to scroll with the mouse, at least with default settings. I just tried it in zellij and that doesn't. Since I'm only using a multiplexor for (3) and zellij does that too, I'm already inclined to switch.I know I'd get used to them, but the key combos used by tmux seem very odd choices, even to someone who used to code on a real glass tty!
by dcminter
4/13/2026 at 3:27:33 PM
Can you use zellij over ssh on a remote server?by dummydummy1234
4/13/2026 at 3:40:39 PM
Yes you can!by TheTaytay
4/13/2026 at 3:53:04 PM
without running zellij on the remote machine? how?by ndr
4/13/2026 at 4:05:21 PM
I'm unclear what's being asked. Zellij is just a TUI-based terminal multiplexer like tmux and screen, you either run it locally and SSH within it to a remote machine, or SSH to a remote machine and run Zellij from within the remote connection.by kibwen
4/13/2026 at 4:55:13 PM
I guess they mean 'have zellij hold your session when you log off/close controlling terminal'. (that would require zellij on remote)by Kim_Bruning
4/13/2026 at 3:56:36 PM
Same here. I bounced off it a few times because KDE konsole already had built in tab/pane support but once I picked up neovim the key chords for triggering actions just made so much sense compared to the static key binds of Console that I just started using Zellij for tabs and panes within Console.by KetoManx64
4/13/2026 at 5:50:28 PM
This sentiment seems to be shared widely. Is there a good conversion guide for tmux users?I tried zellij a couple of years ago when it first got popular and it didn't click for me.
by snthpy
4/13/2026 at 6:15:29 PM
https://zellij.dev/screencasts/has some starting links, if screencasts do it for you
For me the only glitch was some key binding collision with ghostty/aerospace but it works perfectly out of the box on alacritty for me
by ndr
4/13/2026 at 5:52:00 PM
Tried it when it came out on mac and it was super glitchy so I gave up. Also usally tmux is useful when I sshby baby
4/13/2026 at 4:24:52 PM
If anyone is looking for a slightly higher level management of persistent sessions, we just launched https://haventerminal.com for Macby christiansafka
4/13/2026 at 4:16:09 PM
I prefer smux.devby garymiklos