4/5/2026 at 12:12:13 PM
Costco is a rare example of a large company that’s actually pretty well respected for not doing shady things.I doubt customers have much standing here. They were free to not buy items if they didn’t like the price. And I do believe Costco will use this to lower prices vs just pocketing the money.
by cmiles8
4/5/2026 at 12:44:33 PM
> They were free to not buy items if they didn’t like the price.Customers (had to) accept prices under the assumption that the money went to the government, who are supposed to use it for the public good. You can easily argue that they would not have accepted the same price, knowing that it would benefit a for-profit corporation.
by Hendrikto
4/5/2026 at 4:09:49 PM
Sure, you could argue that counterfactual, but how is Costco actually implicated? Does Costco have a contract with its members that sets a limit on the margins they can charge? If so, then I suppose they could get sued for breach of contract. If not, as I suspect, then on what grounds could you actually sue them? Just because you feel like a business charges too much doesn't mean you get to sue them.by bloppe
4/5/2026 at 12:54:15 PM
Yes, once I would have agreed. But lately, I'd prefer my money to be going to Costco by far over the us government, and I imagine quite a lot of Costco's members (they are known for being Democrat donors, and a well liked company) feel the same.Massive caveat that I'm not American, it just seems like public sentiment doesn't broadly think that all the money going to the US government is used for "public good "
by louisbourgault
4/5/2026 at 4:33:19 PM
Then why do they continue to lobby for higher taxes, etc.You cannot do that if you simultaneously feel the government is the not the best custodian of those marginal dollars.
by matt-attack
4/5/2026 at 1:06:46 PM
Did your receipt say anything about a government tariff?The government was busy telling the hoi polloi that foreign companies were paying the tariff. They fought US companies that wanted to list the tariffs on receipts. They were actively suppressing clarity on the matter to end buyers. Your claim that customers assumed the higher prices was going to the government is specious or simply misinformed.
by lsaferite
4/5/2026 at 5:16:16 PM
Costco explicitly itemized in their public earnings call that part of the price increase was the tariff. "When we looked at -- we also source flowers from Central and South America. We looked at that item and decided that while we were able to offset some of the tariffs through similar activity that we did increase some price there because we felt that, that was something that the member would be able to absorb and it was more of a discretionary item there."
So Costco was straight up telling the public that when they raise price part of that is to pay these government tax. You keep talking about assumptions but want us to ignore that you're asking us to make alternative assumptions about the factual representations made by Costco in order to find parity with your argument.
by mothballed
4/5/2026 at 5:30:34 PM
Costco was telling it's investors why they had to raise prices. That's a conversation with investors about business costs.Customers purchasing from them are on the revenue side and there was no line item on receipts listing tariffs, just increased prices. As a customer if you assumed that 100% of a price increase is because the business is paying tariffs, then you are almost certainly mistaken. Even if the price increase was 100% because of the tariff, the business made the decision to internally absorb the fees and not directly involve the customer. They absorbed that extra cost of business by increasing prices as needed to maintain business margins within acceptable ranges.
TL;DR: A customer paid a unit price for a good from a vendor. The cost the vendor paid or any future refunds they may receive on those costs do not factor into the transaction.
by lsaferite
4/5/2026 at 7:03:42 PM
That only works if we pretend investors and customers are wholly disjoint sets of people who don't talk to each other, or are sometimes even the same person/people. However, they are/can, so we can't pretend they're working off different sets of information. How that affects the broader case; I'm not saying here, just pointing out that we can't really treat the groups as separate in this modern era. Especially since many shareholders/investors are that because they like the customer experience so much.by fragmede
4/5/2026 at 10:21:52 PM
I don't disagree with you at all on that point.That being said, we should treat the designated audience of the information as an indicator how the information should be interpreted. Just because an investor shops at Costco and was on the public call doesn't somehow change the messaging on the receipt.
by lsaferite
4/5/2026 at 5:39:55 PM
>That's a conversation with investors about business costs.Paid prices are revenue to the business, not cost.
>Costco was telling it's investors why they had to raise prices
It told everyone. They were public. There was zero limitation at all that it go to investors, nor a ban from investors being a customer. It might have been targeted to investors but it was an earnings call broadcast to customers, indeed publicly made available to ~all their customers.
>Customers purchasing from them are on the revenue side and there was no line item on receipts listing tariffs, just increased prices.
They line itemed in their earnings call that part of it was to pay for tariffs. Not saying an exact amount doesn't unbind you from this and if no tariffs are paid it is a false representation (though in this case, not wittingly so, though they should still pay to rectify this false covenant).
I think this is even more obvious if you remove the political bias here by just saying something like "part of our prices are increased to donate to charity." If it turns out the charity was paid but for whatever reason had to return the money and no charity was actually paid, it would be obvious the business must repay the customers for this breach of agreement the portion of price raised to pay the charity even though there was no fraud or intentional deceit and even if they never told the customers the exact amount of the increase actually initially paid to charity.
> Even if the price increase was 100% because of the tariff, the business made the decision to internally absorb the fees and not directly involve the customer. They absorbed that extra cost of business by increasing prices as needed to maintain business margins within acceptable ranges.
Costco did absorb part of the cost, which turned out to be no tariff owed. They are in a position now though where the customers are simply asking the company to do what they promised the public in their earnings call which was for the tariff increases to be zeroed since the company promised and itemized out they would be used to pay for tariffs which are zero. A non-zero increase based on a promise to pay a tariff but with a tariff of zero obviously breaches this covenant made in the earnings call, as it can't be simultaneously true that a non-zero amount was actually collected in payment of a tariff while zero being owed in tariff.
This isn't a moral failure or even a case of fraud, just customers asking the company to fulfill the promise they made to the public.
by mothballed
4/5/2026 at 10:51:06 PM
It was a conversation about costs driving increases in sales prices. No need to twist my words. I mentioned price in the next quoted sentence even.It's public because they are publicly traded. How about you venture a guess at how many non-investor customers had any knowledge about that call. Maybe some number caught a news article, but it wouldn't have been an appreciable number.
> false covenant
Seriously? Even if it was a "false covenant", it was to *INVESTORS*! For an investor, it's happy days if they recoup those costs because that's a net increase in revenue.
The company set the price for the good based on their costs. Customers bought the good based on the price advertised. The fact that the company might be able to reclaim some of those costs has ZERO bearing on the price customers paid. That's as far as you need to look. Trying to contort the situation to conflate it with fraud is disingenuous. They didn't lie or defraud anyone.
> Political bias
There's no political bias in discussing the core aspect. Sure, the situation leading to it is politically charged, but the core of the issue is the company made a pricing decision based on their costs, the customers bought the products, and in the future the company might be able to recoup some of their costs.
On your last paragraph, a few things. First, tariffs were paid and have not been refunded. They are still trying to affect that change. Second, they made no promise to customers regarding tariffs. Third, you happened to use the PERFECT word here to explain why your entire argument is flawed. You said "collected in payment of a tariff" with "collected" being the operative word here. Costco did no such thing. If they had, you'd have had a line item stating so, like the one for taxes. Costco is obligated to collect and remit taxes. The importer of record is obligated to pay the tariff (or ensure it has been paid). They didn't say they were increasing prices by adding and collecting tariffs. The raised prices to offset the cost of them having to pay the tariff or to cover the higher cost of purchasing goods from parties that imported the goods and paid the tariff.
This entire lawsuit is flawed at it's core as is this entire line of argument.
by lsaferite
4/6/2026 at 4:51:42 PM
The investor call said the "member" (customer) was absorbing the tariff/tax. That is, they said they were increasing prices by partially ading the tariff. End of story, Costco has made a false representation if those tariffs are zero.Thus the whole disingenuine "gotcha" where we say " ha ha ha, it's not on the receipt" is just a fraud to pretend the customers weren't explicitly itemized out in the investor call that they were partially paying a non-zero amount for what turns out to be a zero tariff.
Of course, we reveal your whole 'receipt' nonsense as a fraud -- the investor call came before many of these purchases while a receipt comes after the purchase yet you anachronously flip things expecting the receipt to be used to know about something that is only issued after the transaction. So you're receipt argument is flawed it its core and safely dissmissed.
by mothballed
4/5/2026 at 3:11:34 PM
Wait are you saying that because the Government lied and blocked corporations from exercising freedom of speech and commerce that therefore the government couldn't possibly be seen to be collecting the funds? Your logic is that if the Government lies we are assumed to have believed it and therefore have no recourse. Most people (not all) are nowhere near as dumb as you seem to think they are.by laughingcurve
4/5/2026 at 5:20:38 PM
I'm saying that semantically a business that simply raised base prices to cover their increased costs cannot be attacked by using the logic that "I assumed the price increase was going to the government" unless that was specifically enumerated on your receipts. What you assume is on you.Had the business been listing tariffs directly on receipts it would be a very different conversation.
by lsaferite
4/5/2026 at 1:20:38 PM
You know what they say about assumptions. They don’t hold up in court.Kind of like assuming tariffs are used for public benefit.
by iAMkenough
4/5/2026 at 1:52:41 PM
Then the court is full of shit and double facing. They sure do when it is a conspiracy charge, as long as it is one of the plebs.by mothballed
4/5/2026 at 2:08:45 PM
You may almost think that criminal and civil cases are handled differently.by hluska
4/5/2026 at 2:13:27 PM
Ah yes we can only rely on assumptions when someone's freedom rather than money is on the line.by mothballed
4/5/2026 at 2:57:26 PM
We could rely on facts when making determinations. Like the fact the government said foreign countries were paying for the tariffs.by iAMkenough
4/5/2026 at 5:12:10 PM
Fact: Costco explicitly told the public that part of the price increase in some of their goods was having the customer "absorb" (pay) the price of the tariff.[] "When we looked at -- we also source flowers from Central and South America. We looked at that item and decided that while we were able to offset some of the tariffs through similar activity that we did increase some price there because we felt that, that was something that the member would be able to absorb and it was more of a discretionary item there."
[] Q3 2025 earnings call
by mothballed
4/5/2026 at 1:11:41 PM
> They were free to not buy items if they didn’t like the priceCustomers are buying many goods at Costco one might deem as essential (food, toilet paper, etc) in bulk to save on cost. An illegal tax was being collected everywhere and likely at an even higher cost.
by canyonero
4/5/2026 at 4:56:21 PM
But they have the choice to buy those from other stores.by RaftPeople
4/5/2026 at 2:30:01 PM
Nothing like the 'free to not buy items' argument against a tax illegally levied by the government on most consumer goods.I think people are missing the forest for the trees here and immediately defending a corporation reflexively. The point here is to try and recover money that was illegally gathered by the government. Costco offloaded the tax burden onto the consumers and now they can collect said taxes back from the government.
by fzeroracer
4/5/2026 at 3:22:23 PM
Costco does shady things all the time. They just don’t get called out by customers for some weird reason. For example, they often copy some other company’s product blatantly and make it for dirt cheap in places with no labor or environmental laws, and use their retail power to quickly eat into that market. And they’re powerful enough that product manufacturers can’t afford to fight them for stealing designs or IP.by SilverElfin
4/5/2026 at 7:23:32 PM
Welcome to capitalism?by whattheheckheck