3/8/2026 at 10:20:19 AM
I wonder what happened to the other people who signed on notdivided.I am assuming they quickly realized that they'd rather be rich hypocrites than less rich principled people
by rishav_sharan
3/8/2026 at 11:03:43 AM
I can guarantee you that if there were an accurate test for morality (like humanity) it would show the ones with the least, being the most powerful and wealthy on this planet.by sschueller
3/8/2026 at 11:05:22 PM
I think that many of the most powerful and wealthy have very low morality, but that's not exclusive to them. There have been many sadistic killers who were poor or middle class.by hax0ron3
3/8/2026 at 12:50:04 PM
Why do you believe poor people can't simultaneously be terrible people?Have you never seen the kind of horrific rat race mentality that widespread generational poverty can drive in a society?
Like If you listed the poorest neighbourhoods in the poorest cities in your country do you get highly virtuous places filled with saints.
by kingstnap
3/8/2026 at 2:30:26 PM
They don't. You invented that argument from whole cloth.by estimator7292
3/8/2026 at 10:16:10 PM
> it would show the ones with the least, being the most powerful and wealthy on this planet.I think it should be logically inverted. Right now it says:
Not virtuous => Extreme wealth.
But I think it makes more sense as:
Extreme wealth => Not virtuous
by kingstnap
3/8/2026 at 4:21:55 PM
America has been running this test the last decade.The answer is 30%.
by cyanydeez
3/8/2026 at 4:53:05 PM
While I agree with the thrust of where you're coming from, that number is much much higher than 30%. While pigeonholing the problem this way might make you feel good, it's really not productive.The definition of amoral we're using here isn't someone being openly amoral, but rather people who think they're acting morally but actually rationalizing immoral things to themselves as moral. So it's not terribly surprising for this to be nearly everyone - that 30% is also acting directly against their own self-interest, yet rationalizing this as well!
I suspect part of the dynamic with the rich and powerful is that rationalization and general success are both reliant on intelligence - the same ability that helped them amass wealth/power has also assuaged their ego that they did so for some higher purpose. In addition to the obvious dynamic whereby sticking to your morals is generally less lucrative, of course.
by mindslight