alt.hn

3/6/2026 at 9:29:37 PM

Nintendo Sues U.S. Government for Tariff Refunds

 https://www.scribd.com/document/1008639172/Nintendo-Sues-U-S-Government-For-Tariff-Refunds

by coloneltcb

3/6/2026 at 10:31:48 PM

Wow a Nintendo lawsuit that doesn't bother me ;-)

by DDayMace

3/6/2026 at 10:48:44 PM

Here we go!

by grg0

3/6/2026 at 10:46:35 PM

That’s the kind of righteous sarcasm you can build a community on.

Take my upvote.

by datahack

3/7/2026 at 12:51:17 AM

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by decremental

3/6/2026 at 10:28:11 PM

This court filing document appears to have been posted on Scribd to serve as a reference for an article by Nicole Carpenter on Aftermath which provides context for Nintendo's case:

https://aftermath.site/nintendo-tariffs-sue/

by rectang

3/6/2026 at 10:05:56 PM

Why is this in particular more notable than the other thousands of companies suing for tariff relief? (In particular, V.O.S. Selections.)

by loeg

3/6/2026 at 10:17:37 PM

Certain companies are well-known for their legal teams. Qualcomm is one (often described as a legal company that employs some engineers). Nintendo is the other.

As a result, Nintendo's legal team is far more likely to ensure they get refunded, and quickly. They could provide a template for others to follow.

by jasoneckert

3/6/2026 at 10:31:27 PM

Hmm, I would have thought of Oracle first.

(EDIT: I just mean as a litigious company, well-known for its legal team.)

by rectang

3/6/2026 at 10:43:21 PM

Trump is too useful to Ellison right now, he isn't going to derail that gravy train over a few tens of millions of dollars.

by dafelst

3/6/2026 at 10:29:20 PM

when I worked there, I described it as a navy of lawyers with a dinghy of engineers.

by RyJones

3/6/2026 at 10:17:52 PM

Nintendo is famously litigious and has the legal war chest to sustain a court battle with usgov.

by TimorousBestie

3/6/2026 at 10:08:14 PM

It's not, but more people know what a Nintendo is by name recognition.

by lemoncookiechip

3/6/2026 at 10:25:45 PM

Nintendo has big fucking money. And it‘s a household name.

Say, they get pissed off too much… they could run campaigns just days before the election if they wanted.

by mschuster91

3/6/2026 at 10:40:02 PM

I've never heard of V.O.S. Selections.

by happytoexplain

3/6/2026 at 10:43:35 PM

https://www.scotusblog.com/cases/case-files/trump-v-v-o-s-se...

by loeg

3/6/2026 at 10:46:11 PM

Thanks, but I was answering your question by anecdote, not asking for clarification. To be clear: I'm implying an opinion that Nintendo has more name recognition than V.O.S. Selections, not that their suit is otherwise more significant.

by happytoexplain

3/6/2026 at 10:37:57 PM

Can someone ELI5 how this would work? Is it possible to accurately calculate the amount, with the tariff percentages changing on a weekly basis? If companies do get refunds, do they just keep it? After all, it was the end user who paid/pays, isn’t it?

Also, do/will these companies drop prices if/when tariffs are reversed?

by akudha

3/6/2026 at 10:46:10 PM

The company that paid the tax gets their money back. Whether they decide to make any refunds to their customers is up to them. A few companies have said they would.

This is no different from any other cost. Their cost of goods is lower in retrospect than they thought it was, so it will show up as a gain on their income statement.

What's the economic effect, though? One way to model a tariff that's later refunded is that it's sort of like if a cartel colluded to temporarily keep prices higher. Competition between firms often keeps prices close to costs, but this wouldn't be true for a monopoly or a cartel.

by skybrian

3/6/2026 at 10:49:19 PM

In this case because Nintendo has an American branch (Nintendo of America) that imports their goods, Nintendo of America is who paid the tariffs and would get a refund. Consumers only paid indirectly via potential price increases, so no they don't get any potential money back.

by DSMan195276

3/7/2026 at 12:58:43 AM

And what are the odds those prices are going to come back down? Heh.

by fortyseven

3/6/2026 at 10:45:08 PM

The way that tariffs work is, some specific person (often a corporate person) performs the act of importation into the United States, and that person is charged an amount which they need to pay before they're allowed to take their goods from the warehouse. In this case Nintendo is that person, and both they and the government presumably have records of what they paid.

Whether some downstream consumer of those imported goods paid a price that would have been lower if not for the tariff is a commercial question between them and whoever they paid. Maybe they would have, maybe they wouldn't have. There isn't any objective way to calculate what the price of suchandsuch Nintendo product would have been in the counterfactual.

by SpicyLemonZest

3/6/2026 at 10:41:53 PM

You'd have receipts.

Every shipment from overseas would essentially have a line item for tariffs due. Just add them up.

by bena

3/6/2026 at 10:58:48 PM

Any large company puts all their records in an accounting system so they can figure this out. It make take some time to run the right query, but they have the records. Of course this assumes they put the full breakdown in the system, if it is just the total cost of goods including shipping as a single line item they can't do this - but commonly they will have the break down in some system. (at the very least the shippers/importer will - and they have incentive to run this for you and give you the results - it is fairly cheap and generates goodwill)

by bluGill

3/6/2026 at 10:42:49 PM

The smartest comment I've seen was a proposal to use a negative tariff until the refunds are offset. At least in that case there is some bit of chance that the consumer gets their money back since the supply curve should shift up lowering apparent prices until the negative tax fades off. I'm sure many will point out all the flaws with that and the fact some of it will be captured as profit anyway, but it seems better than dumping 100% of it to profit which is what happens if you just refund to the importer of record.

by mothballed

3/7/2026 at 1:20:39 AM

I don't think that would be a good idea for two reasons:

1. Trump could decide what to apply the negative tariff to (e.g. Trump merchandise or his buddies)

2. If there's a fixed amount of money to dole out and suppliers know it, approximately zero dollars will be given back to consumers because it will be easy to capture the money on the importer side.

by SR2Z

3/6/2026 at 10:33:05 PM

I'm assuming the importer which paid the tariff would be the one trying to get the money back, is that the case here for Nintendo are they the importer here?

by barbazoo

3/7/2026 at 2:15:24 AM

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by gehdhegshb

3/7/2026 at 2:16:05 AM

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by gehdhegshb

3/6/2026 at 10:25:33 PM

So if they win, the US taxpayer will pay for it?

by joe_mamba

3/6/2026 at 10:45:48 PM

Most of the money that Nintendo paid and is entitled to have be returned to them has not gone into the government's coffers.

The money that has passed various deadlines may be more difficult to return, however it is still money that is due to Nintendo. That may be more difficult to obtain, but it isn't the government's money in the first place.

US tax payers aren't paying money to Nintendo - they're paying for the government's lawyers to try to argue against not paying back illegally collected tariffs.

https://realeconomy.rsmus.com/ieepa-tariffs-struck-down-what...

by shagie

3/6/2026 at 10:31:27 PM

If they win, the US government collected taxes they shouldn't and those would be returned. Saying the "US taxpayer will pay for it" is equivalent to saying the US taxpayer pays for your tax refund. (And also, Nintendo is a "US taxpayer.")

by tantalic

3/6/2026 at 10:39:29 PM

The consumer did pay for it (not "taxpayers", per se) . Tarriffs went up, prices surged, and consumers paid that. Now companies get a refund and probably won't lower prices unless they feel there was extremely adverse effects.

I don't see how the consumer won in any of this.

by johnnyanmac

3/7/2026 at 12:11:51 AM

It's completely irrelevant if the consumer won in any of this.

It's about if the United States is a country that respects the rule of law, or some failed 3rd world state, where the law is only respected if the dear leader likes it.

The first one is much better for economic development

by hermanzegerman

3/7/2026 at 12:18:14 AM

In the lawsuit, no.

But this will only further build up the low trust society when it feels like consumers only lose and never gains any of society's benefits.

by johnnyanmac

3/7/2026 at 2:10:42 AM

Well, their fault for voting Trump.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

by hermanzegerman

3/7/2026 at 3:04:00 AM

I mean half the voters didn't vote for Trump.

But I guess yes, first past the post is a stupid game.

by lesuorac

3/8/2026 at 3:22:40 PM

Sounds like you guys need some democracy

by dietr1ch

3/7/2026 at 9:53:00 AM

Those who didn't vote are just as guilty of enabling him

by hermanzegerman

3/6/2026 at 10:34:43 PM

The administration already lost and the tariffs were found to be illegal, this is Nintendo wanting their money back.

Taxpayers already paid for it, companies raised their prices to compensate.

by tapoxi

3/6/2026 at 10:38:40 PM

Yes but the sleight of hand here is to just simply say "taxpayer."

The taxpayer that paid the tariff was the consumer. The fact Nintendo actually wrote the check is largely accounting, this was passed on to the consumer.

The taxpayer that receives the refund is Nintendo, straight into their profits.

So the taxpayer paying and the taxpayer receiving are totally different. This is basically like regressive welfare where consumer paid a private but government imposed tax to corporations.

by mothballed

3/6/2026 at 10:43:46 PM

Yeah the Switch 2 (launched after Liberation Day) costs $449 in the US and 49,980 yen (~$316) in Japan. I doubt Nintendo will be lowering the price of the console outside Japan anytime soon.

by ndiddy

3/6/2026 at 11:37:47 PM

the lower cost in japan is due to the low performance of the yen and that model is locked to japanese only. theres a second model in japan that is closer to the price in the US that supports all languages.

by catgirlinspace

3/6/2026 at 10:37:42 PM

Not really. The scope of the judgement was universal tariffs weren't allowed for that specific invocation of IEEPA 50 U.S.C. §§ 1701

The Trump administration immediately invoked Section 122 for a 10% duty on nonexempt imports and announced expanded Section 232 and 301 investigations.

by theultdev

3/7/2026 at 12:07:56 AM

You mean reimburse the money he wasn't entitled to at any time?

by hermanzegerman

3/7/2026 at 9:54:01 AM

The taxpayer paid for it when tariffs increased prices, and they'll pay for it again when the government pays back the tariffs.

This scheme amounts to yet another free handout for corporations. They should be required to use this money to reimburse their customers, but that would obviously going to get very complicated.

by mcv

3/6/2026 at 10:34:02 PM

So hold on. The US taxpayer first paid the tariffs themselves. Next he has to pay compensation for the tariffs he himself paid?

by yibers

3/6/2026 at 10:42:02 PM

Essentially yes. Companies paid the tariff costs, largely passed this on to consumers via higher prices, and now companies are due the tariff costs back. Consumers of course won’t get anything back.

Well done America.

by czzr

3/6/2026 at 10:47:58 PM

Hey, not a problem. We pay in a fiat currency we control.

by we_have_options

3/6/2026 at 10:40:31 PM

We're still on a massive defecit, so yes? We didn't have that tarriffs money hanging out in a vault.

by johnnyanmac

3/6/2026 at 10:48:12 PM

Tariffs do hang out in a vault for a period of time when the importer can challenge the collection or the amount.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/06/cbp-tells-judge-it-...

> Under customs law, importers generally have about 314 days after goods enter the country before a tariff payment is finalized, a process known as “liquidation.”

> If companies fail to challenge the duty and request a refund after the duty is finalized — or liquidated — they must file a formal protest and, in some cases, challenge the decision in the New York-based trade court to recover the funds.

by shagie

3/6/2026 at 10:57:51 PM

Well, fair enough. I stand corrected.

by johnnyanmac