2/27/2026 at 6:47:02 PM
The Hyperion Cantos is a masterpiece which every scifi fan ought to have read, but I would like to recommend a lesser known title of Simmons for readers who have read at least some works of Charles Dickens (self-explanatory) and Wilkie Collins (such as The Woman in White or The Moonstone).Simmons wrote Drood (2009), which takes these two classical authors and places them in a mystery novel. What struck me as particularly masterful is that Simmons managed to write his prose in such a way that as a reader you soon forget that this book was not written in the 1800s — his tone and style match that of Dickens and Collins so convincingly.
by Freak_NL
2/27/2026 at 7:53:40 PM
Great writer. For people who want to get a taste of Simmons without committing to an entire book, I would recommend this (very) short story: The River Styx Runs Upstream[1].[1]: https://talesofmytery.blogspot.com/2013/02/dan-simmons-river...
by nz
2/28/2026 at 12:02:53 AM
Has a Strugatsky Brothers “Roadside Picnic” feel.by shrubble
2/27/2026 at 10:01:33 PM
Despite being a huge fan of Simmons I had originally passed on this one because I didn't care for the Dickens novels I had read in school. At a family gathering I was surprised to learn that my Grandma was a big Simmons fan. She convinced me to give Drood a shot and sure enough I really enjoyed it! So I'd say it's worth checking out even if you're not a big Dickens reader.by rurp
2/28/2026 at 3:31:38 AM
I read Hyperion and I found it... alright, just not my thing. Maybe it is indeed a masterpiece but "that every fan of sci-fi ought to have read" oversells it. I honestly can't conscion the time to read the rest of the Cantos versus other things on my reading list. Quality does not alone compel consumption! :)by jdashg
2/28/2026 at 3:59:33 AM
You have to read it all the way through. It’s a pretty hefty investment, but the series is truly a masterpiece. I had to read the whole series twice to feel like I was actually starting to understand some of the symbolism. I don’t blame people for not being able to get into it; it’s dense. But it’s so epic and there is so much symbolism and philosophy packed in.by peterlk
2/27/2026 at 7:50:18 PM
Carrion Comfort is a ridiculously entertaining novel.by UltraSane
2/27/2026 at 7:57:14 PM
I favor Carrion over Hyperion and find myself repeating Sheriff Bobby Joe Gentry's line "I like junk" quite often.by tsumnia
2/27/2026 at 8:28:38 PM
Hyperion is the better novel but Carrion Comfort is just really exciting and creepy. And the way the mind controllers treated regular humans like toys hits far too close to home now.by UltraSane
2/27/2026 at 9:05:48 PM
Oh absolutely, I don't want to spoil anything but (to sound like a nutcase for a second) if there is an Illuminati then I think they were avid readers of Carrion.Apropos given your username XD
by tsumnia
2/27/2026 at 10:28:26 PM
> if there is an Illuminati then I think they were avid readers of Carrionlol, I never really thought about that but given recent revelations it does almost seem like they were using it as a template.
by defen
2/27/2026 at 9:32:50 PM
I still think about it relatively often. It took me almost a year to finish it between breaks to recover.by washadjeffmad
2/27/2026 at 9:03:10 PM
Yeah, one of the bad guys even had a private island where he invited all his rich psychopathic friends.by rwmj
2/27/2026 at 8:24:33 PM
I tried reading it but I couldn't get into it. Maybe it the heavy religious themes or just the science fiction being so far into the future? I really should give it a shot againby rdedev
2/27/2026 at 9:02:35 PM
It starts very slowly and the worldbuilding is exquisite and you will likely uncover many facets only upon rereading it. However, it is well worth persisting.Works with considerably more action are Olympus and Ilium.
by samus
2/28/2026 at 1:22:09 AM
It's ok, at best. I can tell you really like it, so for other people that should be a great indicator!by thechao
2/27/2026 at 10:00:27 PM
It's Canterbury Tales structure put me off and the reveals didn't do anything for me. I think I stopped after the second book.by sleepybrett
2/27/2026 at 8:47:57 PM
Try Flashback, it's darker but genius as well, maybe more approachable.by pilooch
2/27/2026 at 7:22:06 PM
> The Hyperion Cantos is a masterpiece which every scifi fan ought to have readYou have to have some affinity to religious/Christianity/church topics, otherwise it’s quite a turn-off.
by layer8
2/27/2026 at 7:35:29 PM
Atheist here: Not true, there is much more in Hyperion (and even Endymion)by mbeex
2/27/2026 at 7:39:40 PM
I’m not saying that you have to be religious. But if you find those topics and related symbolisms rather uninteresting in your sci-fi, then the books may not be for you.by layer8
2/27/2026 at 9:39:56 PM
People are interesting, and religion is a thing people do.In this case there is quasi-religious imagery but you as the reader aren't actually supposed to be mystical about the god/devil in the story the way the characters themselves are. It's not C. S. Lewis
Do you also find LeGuin uninteresting?
by Brian_K_White
2/27/2026 at 8:06:15 PM
I mean, it's not my fandom, but Catholics do have a wicked sense of symbolism and decoration. Hyperion wouldn't be as colourful if Simmons used a bunch of Evangelicals instead.by Freak_NL
2/28/2026 at 8:47:27 PM
There really is a huge stockpile of stuff there to build into fiction.There's a whole crazy universe of occult-like lore within Catholicism that a subculture of Catholics really get into, it's pretty wild, often quite macabre.
I have a couple of those types in my family. The way they talk about praying to specific saints is like they're paladins in an RPG using divine magic.
Then there's the whole thing where the church has bones of long dead saints encased in ornate reliquaries that supposedly dispense miracles.
by SmirkingRevenge
2/27/2026 at 9:23:37 PM
Well, i detest jihadism, but still could enjoy duneby indubioprorubik
2/27/2026 at 7:39:32 PM
To be fair, the first novel Hyperion is quite literally a survey of major world religions, not just Christianity. It does settle onto Christian symbolism in the second book onward, but the first two novels alone are still worth reading for their ideas. No affinity required, it's just the default Western canon at work.by castral
2/27/2026 at 8:06:38 PM
> just the default Western canonIt’s particular topics of that canon, and you have to fancy their treatment in a science-fiction setting. Some people like science-fiction because/when it proposes fresh perspectives that aren’t rooted in, by lack of a better description, non-enlightenment parts of that canon.
by layer8
2/27/2026 at 9:27:10 PM
The clean slate of banks - where we discarded culture to embrace the "culture" and look where this "winging" it got us. Turns out the operating system of a society is important- and the atheist distilled synthetic one is not really working - same goes for alot of others.The utopist urge for cultural tabula rasa is a retardation, a attempt of the brain to shirk embracing and discovering complexity. One has to look at the "backwards" parts to start to understand what works in a society and with the actual human beeings lifing in a actual society, not the wingless Star Trek Angels in PJs.
Embrace complexity, embrace analysis, build something without defining the endstate first. Make small things that work, combine them into bigger things that work. Way less calling for cullings of the "sabotaging traitors" as they are usual with utopists on the march.
by indubioprorubik
2/27/2026 at 10:41:12 PM
Who is "we"? In Banks' culture universe, humanity (us) were explicitly rejected and never became part of the Culture.(The State of the Art)
by davedx
2/28/2026 at 6:33:52 PM
There's a footnote in Consider Phlebas at the end...> “The following three passages have been extracted from A Short History of the Idiran War (English language/Christian calendar version, original text AD 2110, unaltered), edited by Parharengyisa Listach Ja’andeesih Petrain dam Kotosklo. The work forms part of an independent, non-commissioned but Contact-approved Earth Extro-Information Pack.”
The implication is that Earth is contacted eventually, maybe we developed to the point where we were able to make independent contact and keeping Earth ignorant of The Culture no longer served a purpose. That is only speculation though. Maybe some Free Company showed up and tried to set themselves up as a king, or a disenfranchised non-aligned Special Circumstances operative infiltrated governments and tried doing the "right" thing in guiding it and spilled the beans (future thesis topic: compare Special Circumstances in The Use of Weapons and Rediscovery and Reeducation from The Godmakers).
Within the in universe timeline, it is set by that date and relative dates are based on it. Other books then mention an offset from the Idiran-Culture War and an overall in universe chronology can be roughed out. Much of it takes place about 500 years after the Idiran-Culture War in what would be Earth's timeline of the late 1800s (prior to The State of the Art which was another 100 years later).
And then, even if the appendix of Consider Phlebas was Apocryphal with the 2110 "Earth got the history of The Culture", part of the thing with the scope of the universe is that it is enormous and one rather young (even The Culture is mentioned as not being one of the elder races) it is a footnote of an experiment that one of the Minds did in not contacting Sol-III humanity in the scope of things.
by shagie
2/27/2026 at 9:34:31 PM
I don't want to dogpile on the other comments (atheist, loved the book) but I think there's something interesting here.Most science fiction tends to assume that religiosity will fade as humanity matures, and in a few thousand years we'll all have a good laugh at those silly ancient humans. This feels generally right to me. But it's not the only possible future, and Hyperion explores a far future in which religiosity becomes more ingrained.
I thought it was one of the more interesting aspects of the book, and contributed to the feeling of "not just another space opera". You don't have to appreciate religion to like the story.
by stickfigure
2/27/2026 at 8:46:03 PM
The religious themes are a thin veil in Hyperion, looking behind them opens another dimension to ponder about.I’m not a Christian, BTW.
by bayindirh
2/27/2026 at 7:38:11 PM
I have zero affinity for those and found it a fascinating read.by ceejayoz
2/27/2026 at 7:38:57 PM
It's interesting how different stories have different underlying religious underpinnings in different parts of the world. It's important to consider that these themes are precisely because the stories are born from the surrounding culture.Christian references in the Cantos were probably incidental, given the expected familiarity of the intended audience (american white male young men). eg The Matrix trilogy started with the obvious messianic hero's journey, then attempted to expand it in the following films (karma, cycles of death and rebirth, etc).
For some, these religious messages can be a turn off, I agree. I happened to be raised in a culture that allowed me to ignore it more or less and I can recognize that.
by Supermancho
2/27/2026 at 7:57:58 PM
Not sure if I agree with the christian references being incidental ... the first book is literally a retelling of the The Canterbury Tales, all the characters are on a pilgrimage. there are a bunch of religious groups with at least one being central to the story, there are cross shaped parasites that grant eternal life.I still think you can enjoy it without caring much about religion.
by sgillen
2/27/2026 at 8:38:38 PM
>there are cross shaped parasites that grant eternal lifeWithout giving away any spoilers to the books, the parasites are only that on the surface. If anything, the books present a wary picture of religion, especially the last two Endymion books, but also a wary picture of technology.
by AlanYx
2/27/2026 at 10:54:59 PM
> the first book is literally a retelling of the The Canterbury Tales, all the characters are on a pilgrimage.As we have both read the books, it's notable that you associate pilgrimage with Christianity. This illustrates the point.
by Supermancho
2/27/2026 at 8:46:09 PM
>Christian references in the Cantos were probably incidental,They're not at all incidental. The themes and the literal Catholic Church don't just make it into the books by osmosis, they're central to it and deliberate.
Like Gene Wolfe he's part of a pretty small group of US authors who wrote Catholic speculative fiction. Like Wolfe his writing is also fairly un-American. If Heinlein or Asimov are examples of archetypal US science fiction, Simmons is about as far as the other end as you can be, with the post-modern structure, the Canterbury Tales as a template for the story and so on.
by Barrin92
2/28/2026 at 12:12:21 AM
Small but significant. A Canticle for Leibowitz by Walter Miller comes immediately to mind. (And readers of this thread who did appreciate the religious themes of Hyperion may be interested.)by twoodfin
2/28/2026 at 1:17:10 AM
I adore Canticle. It is one of my favorite books.I had recommended Hyperion to a friend, and they loved it. I recommended Canticle as a follow-up and they hated it. I never figured out how that can be.
by bc569a80a344f9c
2/28/2026 at 1:21:42 AM
To be fair, Canticle is soul-crushingly bleak in a way that Hyperion only dances around.by twoodfin
2/27/2026 at 8:54:00 PM
It's up to anybody to not have a particular taste for religious topics, however, spirituality (or the lack thereof) is an important part of human culture and psychology. Therefore a science fiction novel in a sufficiently different setting from Earth's early 21st century really ought to cover these topics as well, lest the worldbuilding would be very shallow and the resulting work would likely lack depth.by samus
2/27/2026 at 7:43:46 PM
Atheist/agnostic here, completely untrue statementby kakacik
2/28/2026 at 3:44:34 PM
I don’t, and this stands as one of the best reading experiences of my life.by LakesAndTrees
2/27/2026 at 7:43:01 PM
I disagree strongly. I'm not religious at all, and have a strong aversion to Christianity, and I loved those books.by Trasmatta
2/27/2026 at 9:18:47 PM
Atheist. Loved it.by Brian_K_White
2/28/2026 at 2:23:18 AM
Did you like Dune?by davkan
2/27/2026 at 9:08:32 PM
Entirely untrue.by loloquwowndueo
2/28/2026 at 3:05:02 AM
You hate mythological subjects in mythological stories. Or, rather, you selectively detest them. Whatever you need to feel superior, I guess.by kjs3
2/27/2026 at 7:49:42 PM
:shrug: I'm an Atheist, I loved the series.by iamtheworstdev
2/27/2026 at 7:08:30 PM
100%. One of the genuine great writers.by matthewsinclair