2/13/2026 at 12:17:04 PM
by heresie-dabord
2/13/2026 at 12:46:43 PM
My first thought when seeing this was "OH! There must be new science." That does not seem to be the case. I'm going to need to adjust my understanding of how the world works.I suspect that the "Champion of Beautiful, Clean Coal" is just living up to his side of the contract.[0]
[0] https://www.budget.senate.gov/chairman/newsroom/press/budget...
by mapontosevenths
2/13/2026 at 12:33:48 PM
The argument that Congress should pass law to allow specific actions by the executive branch is quite reasonable.If only it wasn't being cherry picked to neuter the EPA while Border Patrol and ICE take it upon themselves to act as police forces on domestic soil.
by _heimdall
2/13/2026 at 6:23:32 PM
Congress has authorized ICE and Border Patrol to act as police forces on domestic soilby someguydave
2/13/2026 at 6:41:29 PM
No they haven't. Police forces' power goes through actual Courts that enforce Constitutional rights above police authority.ICE/Border Patrol's authority comes through civil law and non-Article III 'immigration' court. Congress explicitly authorized ICE to be something else when they placed ICE in an alternative 'civil law'/immigration system hoping to make them not have to follow the burdens placed on Police/Justice/Judges/Courts by the Constitution.
by _DeadFred_
2/13/2026 at 4:12:45 PM
democracy . . .by davidguetta
2/13/2026 at 12:38:27 PM
Yep. Toilet schedules for every department should go through Congress, apparently. It's a deliberate design to flood an already very narrow zone, lawmaking.by actionfromafar
2/13/2026 at 6:36:50 PM
You can't have one party whose goal it to make sure government doesn't function in order to push their policy of 'shrink government' be in charge of making government function. No system will work when half the system is hostile to the system.If the Republicans will happy spend money until we are all broke if it means we can limit the government's spending (huh? what? make that make sense) they will break it all (and are trying) in whatever way they can.
by _DeadFred_
2/13/2026 at 8:24:22 PM
I don't know. I lost all my trust to the democrats when the Biden government used a bulldozer to tear open the barbwire to allow people to enter our border freely, and his spokesperson told us the border was fine. At that moment, the democrats are like the Bush who started war by lying. I'd rather give republicans the benefit of the doubt and see them crush democrats for decades.by hintymad
2/13/2026 at 12:34:02 PM
I wish I could unsubscribe from all US related news. It's just so depressing these days.by ozzymuppet
2/13/2026 at 12:44:19 PM
Don't worry, this will probably be flagged to death and gone from the front page real soon.EDIT: and it's gone. From #1 on the front page to page 14 or so in about 35 minutes. To be honest, that took a lot longer than I expected.
by st_goliath
2/13/2026 at 6:25:50 PM
Some wishfully frame HN as science and tech, others as views from smart people on complex issues of topical importance, but regardless, political overlap with science or complexity causes flagging "because politics". Forces that degrade discussion are high on political topics, but ... sheesh. A forum with high ability to contribute to rational discourse on complex issues of importance is really hamstrung by this. /rantby QuantumGood
2/13/2026 at 8:02:08 PM
I feel HN approaches politics the same the field economics does, they are not involved at all execpt bascically all things in the world heavily involve politics. Tech is no exception, not wanting to overriden but news though is not a crime but this is pretty impactful news even for the tech community.by xphos
2/13/2026 at 12:44:52 PM
That US administration wishes you would unsubscribe too.by rcMgD2BwE72F
2/13/2026 at 12:45:27 PM
Yeah, I'd love to cancel my subscription to the administration too.by saagarjha
2/13/2026 at 2:18:39 PM
Would you take a moment to consider that the ostrich maneuver ended with the animal on the dinner table?by throwway262515
2/13/2026 at 12:42:41 PM
Wouldn't this increase US exposure to foreign intervention in the future? Although China is the worst offender, since a while now they are getting their stuff together. They suffered and later fixed some gross air pollutions in their cities.The rest of the world is also pretty much on board with this clean air and climate change stuff as it turns out people generally like clean air, so if this sticks at some point the only logical next step would be to compel US to stop polluting the world.
If I understand correctly, this also removes EPA ability to regulate car emissions, arguing that it will allow for cheaper cars. Why would US public really wants newly made clunkers on their cities? Polluting cars are horrible city life quality downgrade that even the rich can't escape.
Also, will this allow to put the banned due to the dieselgate VW vehicles back on the roads?
by mrtksn
2/13/2026 at 2:02:24 PM
China was an offender at the time yes. But even so, since 1980, when effects of climate change were first known, US has emitted 250Gt and China only 263 Gt, which in per capita terms places US at 690t/p and China at 185 t/p. This is despite China having one child policy since 1979 (which by the way has been heavily criticized by the US).In all, the case for US being the real villain here keeps getting stronger and stronger.
by trueismywork
2/13/2026 at 2:15:24 PM
I enjoyed the 2009 book Ultimatum about this scenario -- what could you do to make a global polluter to stop if they were endangering the world? https://www.amazon.com/Ultimatum-Matthew-Glass-ebook/dp/B002...by Erwin
2/13/2026 at 12:52:17 PM
I don’t know by what means foreign countries would intervene in the US. They’d just ignore whatever is requested of them.But it will increase US dependency on foreign countries in the long term. EVs are the future and if US manufacturers aren’t working on them then they’ll continue to lose market share to foreign companies.
by afavour
2/13/2026 at 2:46:28 PM
The means would initially be similar to those used against other mildly-rogue regimes such those of Serbia and Mali: withdrawal of cooperation, fines, and limited sanctions.If we get to the late 2040s and the rest of the world is within touching distance of net zero but the US remains as an extreme outlier in its refusal to decarbonise, then we could well see harsher measures such as those applied to the likes of Russia and Venezuela.
by roryirvine
2/13/2026 at 1:42:38 PM
US is 350M people, let's say everyone is climate change sceptic and together with Russia, Australia and Saudi Arabia it totals to about 550M people.In the rest of the world the idea that you can just just pump as much as smoke you like and it will magically disappear isn't popular. Maybe because they all had some polluting industry around that made them miserable or maybe because they live in dirty overcrowded cities and noticed that smog isn't pleasant or maybe because they don't have much fossil energy sources, they are generally not skeptical of the idea that "not polluting is good". Just as with vaccines or abortion, climate change or simply the desire to live in a clean environment isn't a divisive topic in most of the world.
So its going to be 8B people trying to compel 0.5B people to live in clean environments and take care of the output of their industries. I think the 8B will be able to do that one way or another.
by mrtksn
2/13/2026 at 12:46:55 PM
Or to move your polluting industry thereby kasey_junk
2/13/2026 at 12:53:49 PM
That ship sailed with the destruction of the global world order. The polluting industries probably don't have to be polluting when you take care of the pollutants.by mrtksn
2/13/2026 at 1:00:46 PM
The rest of the world is not on board. Western Europe, United States, and Australia take “breathing considered harmful“ seriously. No other country does, and nobody else is deliberately suppressing their growth. There are plenty of countries taking western money to pretend that they do.by GorbachevyChase
2/13/2026 at 1:11:28 PM
Generally these things follow a Kuznets Curve where you get rich from polluting and then are eventually rich enough to care about poisoning your children.China's bad air around the time of their Olympics is pointed to as being a turning point that could have toppled the government if not dealt with.
Slightly uniquely they seem to have discovered a way to become even richer by cleaning up their pollution, the timing for EV and renewables working out well, and presumably many other nations will try to follow that pattern going forward.
Even just buying these things from China will make both sides of the trade richer compared with dirtier alternatives.
by ZeroGravitas
2/13/2026 at 1:08:24 PM
Believe it or not, most of the people on earth don't worship growth. No one cares about growth just as no one cares about climate change, people want improvement on their lives and a future that can be good. Some policies like paper straws downgrade it and other policies like clean air upgrade it.When you start thinking in more abstract terms, growth v.s. climate change associated risks is a false dichotomy.
Of course people at first all they care is to get out of a bad situation like poverty but once they are out of poverty they start caring for other things like the future of their children. Apart of fossil energy producing countries like USA/Russia/Australia, people don't pretend that pollution is no biggie.
by mrtksn
2/13/2026 at 2:04:12 PM
Despite this, since 1980, US, EU and Australia have been the biggest polluters since 1980 when climate change was first known to be man made. (Read my other comment)by trueismywork
2/13/2026 at 6:37:37 PM
I’m pretty sure that’s not remotely true. Look at the state of the Ganges River or the visibility in any major Chinese Metropolitan area. Many countries just ignore these patently obvious ecological disasters. The notion that climate was in a pleasant homeostasis until European people arrived is absurd on its face and contrary to geological record.You are being scammed. Billionaires just want an excuse to assert control over all human activity. Climate Doom is an eschatological religion for atheists. Conserve forests, control industrial waste, substitute toxic products, of course. But your breath is an existential threat to all life on Earth? It’s ridiculous and it has completely derailed productive environmental efforts with carbon-trade scams and a regulatory priesthood demanding sacrifice. Meanwhile serious people can barely get a hearing on aquifer depletion, topsoil loss, overfishing, food quality, or source water protection.
by GorbachevyChase
2/13/2026 at 12:55:18 PM
> The rest of the world is also pretty much on board with this clean air and climate change stuff as it turns out people generally like clean airAre you sure about that? Or you mistaking the world's opinion for that of the out-of-touch elites living in their lofty ivory towers? Because in the world, outside the media controlled by these elites, I see the exact opposite: it turns out THE WORLD generally like electricity at 2 cents per kwh (not 50 cents how elites like it), no matter how much carbon dioxide it emits.
by Ray20
2/13/2026 at 10:29:45 PM
This is so out of touch. Coal is the most expensive electricity source in the US and it's not even close. We have an administration pushing coal.That means you get worse air, worse water, AND you pay more for it. Some of y'all are so delusional that you're not only fine with getting fucked up the ass, you're actually willing to pay more for it!
by array_key_first
2/13/2026 at 12:59:07 PM
AFAICT the only 2c/kwh electricity is solar or hydro.by bryanlarsen
2/13/2026 at 5:37:55 PM
In fact, wind and solar often bid negative amounts to sell power.For those confused by this, the way a utility buys power is they take bids from powerplants, and then "fill their bucket" with the cheapest options, the most expensive, cheapest option is what everyone gets paid. So if you can compete in a market with coal and coal is 8 cents/kwh, and you have zero operational costs, you can bid negative values to always be in the bucket and be compensated 8 cents/kwh.
by malfist
2/13/2026 at 5:19:54 PM
It's ironic how you're (unknowingly) doing the fossil fuel industry's bidding while ranting about an ominous elite that doesn't care about regular people.by OKRainbowKid
2/13/2026 at 1:01:03 PM
I'm pretty sure. Once I sniffed air as a non-elite and I like it clean.by mrtksn
2/13/2026 at 12:31:22 PM
One step closer to Spaceballsby intexpress
2/13/2026 at 12:43:51 PM
every day the US strays further from the light :(by y0ssar1an
2/13/2026 at 1:09:44 PM
I think we should lock them all in a room filled with CO2 and methane and then ask them if they still think they're not harmful.by padjo
2/13/2026 at 1:06:53 PM
Sounds like healthcare costs are going up in the USA.by cbg0
2/13/2026 at 12:32:07 PM
Trump has a couple of more years left on this planet. He'll never see the effects of his policies, but he'll do everything to please his donors. That's about it.by TrackerFF
2/13/2026 at 5:38:37 PM
Donors? Most of these people are paying bribes, not donating.by malfist
2/13/2026 at 8:38:57 PM
One step forward, two steps backwards. Anything good the Democrats may do (yes, it happens sometimes, rarely) will immediately get repelled by the death cult that are the Republicans. If for no other reasons that to "own the libs", they would destroy the whole world.If this country is to have any future, it must get rid of the Republican party, try all its officials for treason to the American people and ideals of the US Republic and constitution, then disenfranchise their alienated voter base until they get back to living in material reality.
by thrance
2/13/2026 at 12:29:25 PM
You mean CO2 is not the same as CFCs?by typedef_struct
2/13/2026 at 12:31:22 PM
CFCs are bad because they make the government get cancer. CO2 is fine because it'll make your grandchildren die in a heatwave or drown in a flood, that won't happen in the next few election cycles.by baq
2/13/2026 at 12:48:18 PM
The joke in the refrigeration industry is that "it's not bad for the environment until DuPont's patent expires".Now obviously they were bad for the environment all along, but I don't think it's a coincidence that nothing was done about CFCs until the 3rd world got good at making them cheap.
The joke is getting a little out of date though since the new stuff is hydrocarbons and CO2 (and you can't patent those).
by cucumber3732842
2/13/2026 at 12:35:18 PM
[flagged]by ArchieScrivener
2/13/2026 at 12:40:33 PM
This is about as good as the US public education system can produceby MWParkerson
2/13/2026 at 12:40:29 PM
Account created 17 days ago.by dboreham
2/13/2026 at 12:40:27 PM
Phew, you made me so afraid of EU propaganda that I almost forgot about the propaganda from major energy companies (with a combined worth of trillions of dollars).When your comments is worse than the official BP position on climate change, you know you're on the wrong side of history.
https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/c...
by oblio
2/13/2026 at 12:37:39 PM
Citation needed.(Because the other side of the argument has thousands of measurable, verifiable scientific studies)
by robot_jesus
2/13/2026 at 5:37:00 PM
Why is this flagged? Is the climate no longer a science story?by 1attice
2/13/2026 at 3:51:45 PM
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46994006by ChrisArchitect
2/13/2026 at 12:43:23 PM
How exactly is this not just like a global policy thing rather than EPA? Surely our emissions affect other countries' qualities of life so the decision is not just up to us.by Madmallard
2/13/2026 at 2:14:05 PM
The US has refused to sign onto international climate agreements. Who’s going to enforce that policy against the US?by apothegm
2/13/2026 at 12:33:42 PM
Shamefulby oulipo2
2/13/2026 at 12:45:29 PM
Beyond its role in climate change, elevated concentrations of CO₂ pose a direct physiological threat to human health, ranging from inflammation to respiratory stress. The Trump presidency is trying to protect coal and oil for some reason. Money, lobbying, bribery anyone?We need to look past the political noise and focus on the immediate data: CO₂ is a pollutant that harms human physiology. Regardless of where you stand on climate policy, we should all agree that breathing toxic air is unacceptable. We need to prioritize respiratory health and cognitive safety above partisan loyalty
https://open.substack.com/pub/minimallysustained/p/beyond-th...
by blondie9x
2/13/2026 at 1:03:39 PM
This is a bad take. CO2 will not harm your personal health in the short term, in the amounts measured in current atmospheric readings. You personally have a higher percentage of CO2 in your body every time you breathe. You currently breathe about 430 ppm of CO2. Toxic levels are above 5000 ppm (40000 is regarded as immediately dangerous).You're arguing the right side but you're using the wrong arguments. This is actually counter productive.
by Intermernet
2/13/2026 at 1:10:25 PM
You breathe out CO2. Maybe you should stop doing that?by GorbachevyChase
2/13/2026 at 12:41:01 PM
[flagged]by pluc
2/13/2026 at 12:46:23 PM
The protests have been consistent since the regime took office. There's been two attempts on his life. Blue states are implementing measures to basically soft secede from the federal government. Republican candidates are losing in landslides and the regimes secret police are being confronted as soon as they're identified. Idk where you get 'complacent' from.by sheikhnbake
2/13/2026 at 1:17:46 PM
He means it's not in his feed. "Random old woman gets kidnapped" is represented 100 times more strongly in the datastream then "1000 protestors organize immigrant protection system" or "US Citizen Mung families defend elderly Vietnam vets".... at least "Random Old Woman" has got people looking askance at the internet connected security camera ecosystem, I guess.
by parrellel
2/13/2026 at 1:03:18 PM
How long as it been? How long will it last? How easily will those plans be foiled? How much damage will you allow?by pluc
2/13/2026 at 1:16:56 PM
Idk, man. The regime isn't asking my permission and my individual capacity to stop them is pretty limited. The best I can do is make sure my family and community are taken care of while the resistance builds momentum. There are 70 million white supremacists in this country and however this shakes out, it's going to get worse before it gets better.by sheikhnbake
2/13/2026 at 1:13:29 PM
Did you have an actual question, or were all of these just a rhetorical attempt to prove some point that you haven't actually made yet?by soulofmischief
2/13/2026 at 12:49:29 PM
It's clear from this comment that you do not understand the complexities of US politics. If you don't have something useful to contribute, I'd recommend spending your time understanding the political system here, the generational propaganda machine, and why it isn't simply a matter of every politically conscious individual going outside and protesting. People are already protesting all over the country and he's not out of office. There have even been assassination attempts.Maybe you weren't paying attention for the last month. The president's secret police have killed several civilians in broad daylight, in some cases specifically because these people were trying to help others who were being attacked. You have no idea what the fuck is going on here, honestly, and your comment is as ignorant as it is unwarranted.
by soulofmischief
2/13/2026 at 12:56:19 PM
It's also worth remembering that our economic system has intentionally or not, pacified and domesticated the working class through threat of poverty and state sanctioned violence. Resistance always requires great personal sacrifice, which is why those who do so are heroes. For the rest of the working class, they have to weigh the risks of resisting which includes, death, losing their families, their homes, jobs, etc.by sheikhnbake
2/13/2026 at 1:40:25 PM
> pacified and domesticated the working class through threat of poverty and state sanctioned violence.More likely through outright bribery. What's the average hourly wage in the US? About $40? While 90% of workers worldwide earn less than $2. The difference is more than 20 times.
The American working class voted for this, the American working class is the main beneficiary of this, and, as far as I know, NO ONE in the American working class, even in solidarity with other workers, has handed over to them the money they unfairly receive at the expense of the rest of the world.
by Ray20
2/13/2026 at 1:48:05 PM
> The American working class voted for this70 million out of ~350 million voted for it.
> American working class is the main beneficiary of this
This is very out of touch with the current economic situation in the United States. It was certainly true for the Boomer generation, but the economic situation and wealth gap disparity has only gotten worse for Gen X, Millenials, and Gen Z.
The primary beneficiaries are the rich. As many regime supporters in the working class are finding out the hard way, they are also just resources to be extracted from. ICE agents aren't going to be paid the blood money they were promised. Farmers and manufacturers are getting shafted by tariff policy.
Americans may make ~20x more on average than the rest of the world, but the newer generations still can't afford homes, healthcare, food, etc.
by sheikhnbake
2/13/2026 at 2:09:04 PM
> wealth gap disparity has only gotten worse for Gen X, Millenials, and Gen ZAnd how much do they make? $35 an hour? Okay, let's even go very safe and go with a large margin, say they make $30 an hour. And compare that to LESS THAN $2 an hour, which is what 90% of the rest of the world makes. That's still a difference of MORE THAN 15 times. You can't argue with math.
> The primary beneficiaries are the rich.
No, that's bs. The main beneficiaries are the American working class. They YEARLY have more income than American billionaires accumulated over generations. They elected Trump. Twice.
Meanwhile, 90% of workers worldwide earn less than $2 an hour.
And how many Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z have given up most of their tens of dollars hourly salaries for the benefit of the world's workers, earning less than two dollars an hour? Zero!
by Ray20
2/13/2026 at 2:16:42 PM
> You can't argue with math.https://inequality.org/facts/wealth-inequality/#household-we...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-wealth-gap-widest-in-three-d...
by sheikhnbake
2/13/2026 at 1:12:43 PM
Additionally, revolutionaries do it for the working class. We're all in this together. The divisive anti-US comments in this subthread are so unbelievably out of touch with what is happening in the US.by soulofmischief
2/13/2026 at 2:10:24 PM
> It's clear from this comment that you do not understand the complexities of US politics.
The "complex" part seems to be that Americans appear unable to even imagine holding public officials accountable like that. Instead of the American public's expectations of their leaders rising over time, they are rapidly declining before our eyes as governance inches closer to trash entertainment like reality TV and pro wrestling.
by mopsi
2/13/2026 at 1:01:46 PM
[flagged]by pluc
2/13/2026 at 1:13:52 PM
First you indignantly ask why we're not protesting and then denigrate them as "little protests". Then you assert that personal firearms might solve the problem against the most technologically advanced armed forces in the world. Maybe you can share what country you live in and how you've so successfully fought against the state.The No Kings protest was the largest in US history BTW.
by Mc_Big_G
2/13/2026 at 1:50:07 PM
That's great. What did it achieve?You're not supposed to stop until you get what you want.
by pluc
2/13/2026 at 2:07:41 PM
I'll answer if you do.by Mc_Big_G
2/13/2026 at 2:26:23 PM
Shit straight up Attorney General'd meby pluc
2/13/2026 at 1:11:11 PM
> Keep telling yourself that these issues are for scholarsWhat a straw man. I said no such thing.
> The whole world can see through your bullshit. Brought to you by the thoughts and prayers people!
Quite frankly, your caricature of the US only serves to highlight your own extreme ignorance and bias.
> For a country with more guns than people you certainly forget very conveniently what they are for.
I am well aware of the motivation behind the 2nd amendment. Stop acting like a pretentious clown and hit a textbook. You don't know a damn thing about the US and it shows.
by soulofmischief
2/13/2026 at 1:58:26 PM
What is it that I need to learn in order to accept your government's actions and your people's lackluster resistance?by pluc
2/13/2026 at 1:26:32 PM
> What happened to the protests? The indignation? Get rid of this guy already you complacent fucksI'm just reminding that this is exactly what Americans voted him to do. And in their opinion, the main problem is that he does what he does not effectively enough.
by Ray20
2/13/2026 at 1:30:55 PM
~70 million Americans voted for this out of ~350 million. Trump has a current approval rating of ~38% and approximately 60% of Americans think he's gone too far.by sheikhnbake
2/13/2026 at 1:53:16 PM
Are you deliberately trying to manipulate?All the research clearly shows that higher turnout would have led to an even better result for Trump.
And the American polls are little more than a reflection of the less and less popular mainstream media's position and weakly correlate with what Americans actually do. We've already seen this twice in elections won by Trump: Americans follow the media, say how they disapprove of Trump, but then go out and vote for him.
by Ray20
2/13/2026 at 2:13:59 PM
I’m only aware of one data point: unlike comparable elections, the Republican won voters who did not participate in 2020. Sounds like you’ve seen other research?by sigwinch
2/13/2026 at 2:01:51 PM
There's nothing to manipulate. The majority of the US electorate is politically and literally illiterate. That's why their voting patterns are based almost entirely on the current economic sentiment, not the media.Biden denied a worsening economic situation for the average American, and the response was Trump winning the election.
Trump has made the economic situation even worse, and his support is tanking. Which is why republican candidates are currently losing in landslides and we're breaking protest records.
by sheikhnbake
2/13/2026 at 2:14:54 PM
> The majority of the US electorate is politically and literally illiterate.Are you sure about that? Because it's hard to blame illiteracy on something that brings you 20 times more money (speaking of economic sentiment) than everyone else. It sounds more like malicious intent.
by Ray20
2/13/2026 at 2:23:50 PM
> Are you sure about that?Yes: https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/2024-2025-liter...
> 21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2024.
> 54% of adults have a literacy below a 6th-grade level (20% are below 5th-grade level).
> Low levels of literacy costs the US up to 2.2 trillion per year.
It seems like you're responding just to argue and not in good faith. You keep bringing up the average income disparity as if there are no economic woes in the United States. I'm not debating the massive privilege the US holds as an economic super power due to imperialist foreign policy. Feel free to respond but I won't engage with you further.
by sheikhnbake
2/13/2026 at 2:44:26 PM
> It seems like you're responding just to argue and not in good faith.It's a convenient position when the FACTS and MATH completely discredit your narrative that American workers are not actively contributing to what's happening because it's VERY beneficial (more than x20 benefits) for them.
by Ray20
2/13/2026 at 12:40:35 PM
[flagged]by sajithdilshan
2/13/2026 at 12:42:58 PM
You’re comparing an extreme minority on one side to the mainstream view on the other.Democrats are not banning everything related to fossil fuels, nor do they disrupt public life. They have simply applied subsidies to encourage environmental friendly choices. Which is exactly the middle ground you are asking for.
by afavour
2/13/2026 at 12:54:03 PM
I think the days of playing softball are over. Whatever administration comes after this one, the gloves will still be off, and the hand heavy.by soulofmischief
2/13/2026 at 12:48:22 PM
> and impose its ideology on others (e.g., Klima Klebers in Germany)what does "impose its ideology" mean?
they were protesting for the government to uphold their own promises and use low hanging fruits which are even beneficial beyond reducing green house gases.
by tcfhgj
2/13/2026 at 12:42:00 PM
Are you sure it's not just media magnifying the extremes? In my own bubble and honestly most of what I see online most people seem to believe in a middle ground.by AlecSchueler
2/13/2026 at 12:52:49 PM
The problem is that there isn't really a middle ground. The damage is done and no actions taken now will have a quick, politically measurable effect. The people arguing against action are relying on the delay between action and effect. If you can't see it now (despite actual measurable data being available for at least the last 2 decades) then it must be a lie.I'm still not sure what the climate change denialists see as the goal of "big climate". All of the money and profit is on the side of continuing to fuck the climate. All of the projects to alleviate the problem are expensive and have very little profit to be gained, but apparently it's a conspiracy of academics on minimum wage in various university research centers who are determined to take the money from our wonderful oil and mining benefactors (who have nothing but our best interests at heart). What's worse is they want to push technology that gives us energy for free! Must be a bunch of communists or something!
by Intermernet