alt.hn

2/10/2026 at 6:18:30 AM

A shortage of tenors

 https://www.economist.com/culture/2026/02/09/the-world-is-suffering-from-a-shortage-of-tenors

by petethomas

2/11/2026 at 8:07:48 PM

In a former life I was part of a church choir (smallish church, ~140 members, everyone knew everyone). Same guy was running the orchestral band I had been a part of for a long time (trumpet, also had piano background), and they needed members.. A quick tryout and he told me to join the bass section - without taking into account I had a cold that day. I struggled to hit a lot of the notes, but then moved to tenor and easily hit most of the notes, almost being lead tenor for a while. Sure, it was a falsetto, but I could hit high A or C pretty reliably, IIRC.

Moved to the west coast (this was great lakes area) and something about the air is different, and while I stayed in choir for a few years, eventually lost the top octave entirely and am now a horrible singer (I used to be ok and could, for example, easily sing Livin' on a Prayer - I can't come close to it now). If I go back to the great lakes area, after a week, my singing voice has improved tremendously, only to lose it when I return. I do miss being able to sing better, but not enough to move back..

by hn_acc1

2/11/2026 at 8:55:13 PM

Every rocker with a hit song with high notes has to change the song in order to still sing it in concert. Layla, Take on Me, Dream On, Don’t Stop Believin’, etc.

If you watch reaction videos from vocal coaches hearing singers for the first time, you will find that they get nervous about the ways singers are tackling parts of their songs, because there are ways to sing that you can do for twenty years, and ways that you can do it that are good for six. Less if you start doing full concerts instead of bar sets or opening act work.

by hinkley

2/12/2026 at 3:31:10 PM

In 1982 the Secretary of the Interior, James Watts, announced that Wayne Newton would perform at the National Mall on Independence Day, at least implying that the Beach Boys, who had been there the year before, really didn't reflect good American values. He was mocked for his, and the next year the Beach Boys came back. I did not go to the Mall, but heard some of their performance on the radio. They were terrible, and a musician I knew said that this was because men's voices deepen with age but the Beach Boys were still trying to sing in the original keys.

by cafard

2/12/2026 at 12:43:37 AM

I don't think Steve Perry ever pitched down his vocals. IMO there are two types of singer, ones with good technique (due to practice or genetics) who can sing easily, and those who have to really force notes out in the studio (relying on perfect conditions) then pitch down live.

by rjh29

2/12/2026 at 12:54:23 AM

I agree he always seemed to me comfortable in that range, on talk shows, etc. The guy from Aerosmith on the other hand I would be surprised if he could match the radio version regularly in concert. As for Layla, I guess I only know the live/mtv unplugged and the original had higher notes?

by jasonfarnon

2/12/2026 at 2:15:19 AM

Oddly enough, Geddy Lee was having trouble with the high notes in the 90s but by the 2000s had improved again and was hitting them reliably.

by projektfu

2/12/2026 at 10:06:26 AM

That's not odd, it's a known common trajectory of a male voice range during the lifetime. If the vocal cords aren't ruined, if course.

by ZoomZoomZoom

2/12/2026 at 1:42:50 PM

What is the mechanism behind that? All that springs to mind as a theory would be lagging effects of testosterone surges.

by deltoidmaximus

2/12/2026 at 4:06:24 PM

I believe it's a joint effect of muscle atrophy (vocal folds lose mass and become thinner), lower testosterone levels, stiffening of the larynx and the general loss of elasticity (stiffer things vibrate with a higher frequency). I'm no expert, though.

To be clear, we're talking about 60+. Before that, the pitch usually is on a decline.

by ZoomZoomZoom

2/12/2026 at 3:11:06 PM

In his case, quitting smoking, I think.

by projektfu

2/12/2026 at 2:23:25 AM

The problem is not new, though. The article opens by mentioning a 1926 concert in which the choir asked the audience "If you sing tenor, please join us." The tenor range is relatively rare among men's voices. I'm a high tenor myself; I can routinely sing a G, and I can get up to an A if my voice is in good form. I think I managed a B♭ (Bb if HN strips out the ♭ (flat) Unicode character) once, but it was decades ago so I'm not sure if I'm remembering the arrangement correctly; and choral arrangers rarely ask tenors to sing a B flat since they know so few people can handle it. Pretty sure I've never been able to hit a C, though. (C5, that is; of course I can hit a middle C).

But tenors have been in short supply for decades and decades. Every single time I've tried out for a choir, when the choral director hears how high I can sing, I can see some sort of "tell" on his or her face. A smile, a widening of the eyes... I can sightread, too, so I know I'm a shoo-in for any choir (well, any amateur choir at least: I'm not a music professional and wouldn't be able to devote 20+ hours a week to a choir). But I suspect that even if I couldn't sightread at all and had to have my hand held for any new piece, choir directors would grab me anyway, just because of how high my voice can reach if I haven't been abusing it.

by rmunn

2/12/2026 at 3:04:16 PM

The general guidance if you are writing for amateurs is to stop the tenor and soprano sections at their respective "high G" and if you are writing for professionals to avoid going above their B. Amateur choirs will often sing music written for professionals (eg all the masterworks), and you will end up getting A's or Bb's but without expectations that it will sound good.

by pclmulqdq

2/11/2026 at 7:34:49 PM

Our SATB chorus was about 75 strong, with about 2 women who could sing tenor. They were highly valued, especially in the limited membership of a women’s barbershop ensemble.

If you’re male and you can sing anything or play a pipe organ, you are worth your weight in gold to the right church.

Some of my favorite vocalists are female contraltos, because I can sing in their range.

Choral work is the most demanding volunteer job I ever had. It’s also exhilarating, highly social, and rewarding. No regrets!

by RupertSalt

2/11/2026 at 8:02:30 PM

I’d love to play organ with a choir group. But I am not religious, so it feels wrong.

by j_bum

2/12/2026 at 2:21:15 AM

My french horn teacher was a new-age "recovering Catholic"[1] and a paid singer for a couple Protestant churches. A job is a job. Personally, I am an atheist but I find a lot of devotional music to be well written and fun to sing, and I enjoy singing it in choir, even if I don't literally believe the words I'm singing.

In any event, you can play organ with a community choir, especially if you can also play piano. We pay our accompanists.

1. i.e. no longer Christian

by projektfu

2/12/2026 at 5:19:42 PM

Many organists are not religious but appreciate the creativity and beauty of the music, buildings, and the mad range of incredibly different instruments that are all collectively called organs. Heck, in England, I've often wondered how really religious some of the clergy are...

by azalemeth

2/11/2026 at 8:26:59 PM

I understand completely — doctrinal disagreement keeps me out of men’s choirs, musical theatre, and men‘s gyms, too!

by RupertSalt

2/12/2026 at 3:33:01 PM

An acquaintance made some money as cantor to a synagogue around here. He was not Jewish, but I gather that the combination of singing and getting paid felt just fine.

by cafard

2/11/2026 at 9:59:59 PM

You may find a good fit at a UU church.

by colanderman

2/12/2026 at 2:02:40 AM

Why are male organists particularly valuable?

by tshaddox

2/12/2026 at 4:28:17 AM

I wouldn't say that the women are less valuable! Anyone who can play a pipe organ and has the other skills to put in hours on weekly performances and rehearsals, they are rare and indispensable to the place that has the organ.

If someone plays the guitar they can purchase their own guitar, maintain it and carry it wherever they play. Same for a violin or flute or any typical instrument. Piano skills are also fungible because anyone can buy a synth keyboard or an upright and practice at home just fine. While large, even a grand piano can be wheeled in and out of a building if necessary.

But a pipe organ is part of the building. More properly, the building is an inseperable part of the pipe organ. When an organ company builds a pipe organ, they put an Opus number on it because they're going to be unique to fit the space and needs of the community. They're going to last for decades or hundreds of years and they are not going anywhere. The community has come together to install it and commit to its maintenance.

I attended a church with a modestly-sized electronic (non-pipe) organ built in 1980. There was a praise band with drums, guitar, bass, and a very shiny grand piano. The organ had fallen into disuse and it was unclear whether it could be played. We limped along with that lovely piano for a long time, but the organ was finally rescued. Another church had installed a very lovely "theater" style pipe organ, that was also modestly small, and had chronic problems due to the climate environment in the loft. So eventually, it was retired, and a very impressive MIDI organ was also placed in the loft, while they were not really able to remove the previous one. Unfortunately, the leadership and the music ministers cycled rapidly, and they appear to have abandoned the loft entirely...

So, with an investment like that, a church cannot afford to be without an organist. Some are happy just to have someone who knows how to play. Often, an organist may have other roles, such as directing, singing, composing, or administrative. But the organ is the primary and lead instrument. They are always going to be the focal point of the music program. Male and female alike.

by RupertSalt

2/12/2026 at 5:57:13 AM

>I attended a church with a modestly-sized electronic (non-pipe) organ built in 1980. There was a praise band with drums, guitar, bass, and a very shiny grand piano. The organ had fallen into disuse and it was unclear whether it could be played. We limped along with that lovely piano for a long time, but the organ was finally rescued.

I once got roped into trying to fix an electronic organ that was about the same age, in a church. Some of the notes had stopped playing, or were the wrong pitch, so the organist had to work around them. It was a really interesting piece of analog electronics, with a bunch of separate circuit boards for each note, with an analog circuit on each one to generate the tone. IIRC, I found that some capacitors' values had drifted due to age, so I replaced a bunch of them with new ones; the organist was so happy she could now use those notes again.

by shiroiuma

2/12/2026 at 3:28:46 AM

Probably reaaaallly depends on the organ.

Some of the very old very large ones have some strength+endurance requirements.

Much newer ones with electronic actions and whatnot don't have any such problems.

Majority of organists are men (in the US at least).

My wife plays the organ; it looks like dark voodoo magic, with two hands and two feet flying at the same time and so many different types of sounds coming out. She sticks entirely to electric organs.

by dmoy

2/11/2026 at 6:12:20 PM

The choral world has survived despite a longtime shortage of castrati.

I'm sure they'll figure something out.

In all seriousness, SATB is mostly a constraint because of how choral composers write their music, not because good music demands it. You can produce beautiful music without all four voice parts being equally represented.

by jawns

2/11/2026 at 7:30:20 PM

Castrati never mattered for choruses - you just use a large choir of boys. They were important for opera/theater, where you need a single voice with enough power.

by CGMthrowaway

2/11/2026 at 6:29:44 PM

I compose music once in a while. I'm now trying to write more in a texture like SSAATB if I want amateurs to sing the music, but it's not as easy to write as SATB or SSAATTBB music.

by pclmulqdq

2/11/2026 at 5:42:08 PM

There have never been enough tenors anywhere, as the article acknowledges.

It's not clear what the evidence is that the problem is getting worse though? Or why it would be?

by crazygringo

2/11/2026 at 6:06:27 PM

There is only so much time in a day. Often singing in choir conflicts with playing sports because you have concerts and games on the same nights, so you have to make a choice. There are also schedule pressures - if you are going to get into college you nearly have to take math, English, science, and foreign language classes beyond what your school demands and that forces hard choices if there even is a class period free (don't forget you might be taking band to take up that space)

Finally, there are a lot of bad teachers. They are so interested in winning competition and teaching perfection - but for most music will never be anything other than a fun hobby and so they are getting the wrong teaching which turns many students off. I've seen a lot of award winning school choirs, and the next town over with the same number of students has twice the students in choir despite not winning awards - communities need to pick and often don't realize this.

by bluGill

2/12/2026 at 12:29:34 AM

In my secular chorus, we may have two main performances per season, but we rehearsed together for 2 hours every single week for months. We purchased polo shirts, and there was a dress code. Our dues covered operating costs and sheet music. Being a civic group for casual singers, our costs were kept low, but many choirs travel, double down on the costumes, and many people find it requires a high level of dedication, free time, and independent wealth. It is no coincidence that many members are retirees!

In church, a lector could prepare for 30 minutes and have a 5 minute speaking part at the Mass. The ushers and EMHCs also have part-time gigs. While altar servers are on duty for the entire service, they do not need to rehearse every single week. A church choir may serve for one or more weekend services, plus the 90-120 minute weekly rehearsals, and that's not counting holy days, Easter, Christmas. If you take a role as cantor, director, or piano/organ, expect to become indispensable! Some families just found it easier to join en masse so they could stay together.

Some chorus members are also secretly voice coaches, so if you protest "but I can't sing tenor" they may lovingly tackle you and sell you a package of private lessons.

I found it difficult to serve in any other ministry alongside choir, and you may find it difficult to hold down a job and/or family alongside a secular chorus role. As I said, high demand/great rewards.

by RupertSalt

2/11/2026 at 8:05:37 PM

But none of that is particular to tenors.

by Sharlin

2/12/2026 at 8:42:57 AM

If there are less T than S, A, or B, then a general member shortage hits the tenor section more and sooner.

by bmacho

2/11/2026 at 10:30:07 PM

The choir with twice the students was twice the male students, about the same female.

by bluGill

2/11/2026 at 7:35:35 PM

On the point of there always being a shortage of tenors, these charts are interesting: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Frequency-distribution-o...

The shape of the distribution has a much longer tail for women than men, on the high pitch side.

by CGMthrowaway

2/11/2026 at 8:23:04 PM

It looks weird because the frequency is plotted linearly instead of logarithmically like our ears are sensitive to.

When plotted in a log scale for the X axis, the distributions look correct.

by bsder

2/11/2026 at 9:08:42 PM

Hmm good point

by CGMthrowaway

2/11/2026 at 6:28:51 PM

N=1 and not singing in a choir, I could probably sing tenor parts if I trained, but to me bass feels more satisfying, doubly so going low with throat singing.

by IsTom

2/11/2026 at 7:20:01 PM

I suspect it's become a problem the moment it became a primarily amateur endeavor. There's enough tenors when you can pay.

by moomin

2/12/2026 at 10:02:19 AM

Choirs have always been primarily unpaid. Not very many people or institutions can afford to pay a 50-man choir.

by vintermann

2/12/2026 at 1:09:30 AM

"Or why it would be?"

In my part of the world, it's definitely declining church attendance. If you don't have a huge population of young boys and girls trained in those choirs, and instead the population were self-selecting into voice training, I would definitely expect a serious sex imbalance.

by jasonfarnon

2/12/2026 at 9:51:28 AM

What part of the world, may I ask?

I've found some excellent vocal groups from parts of Asia not known for being especially Christian, but it seems that choral/a cappella music is very connected to Christianity there too.

I believe church attendance is getting more gendered too, with a shortage of men.

by vintermann

2/14/2026 at 2:36:52 AM

I'm in Houston. I have seen nice a cappella from the Philippines but that must not be what you have in mind, large Christian population there. Where were yours from? From what I've seen of African church singing, they were always mostly female.

by jasonfarnon

2/11/2026 at 5:46:21 PM

Declining popularity among men

by klooney

2/11/2026 at 5:54:13 PM

Then why no shortage of basses?

by klipt

2/11/2026 at 6:25:45 PM

As a professional-level baritone who has sung tenor parts quite a lot, there is a shortage of every low voice type (directors are often conflicted when I make the offer to sing tenor). People who can produce a chorally-acceptable A or Bb are in the shortest supply, though. It's getting worse as the amateur singing circuit gets smaller and the gender ratio gets more skewed.

Amateur-level choirs tend to have a lot more basses than tenors because it is easier to sing bass without effort spent on vocal training.

by pclmulqdq

2/12/2026 at 9:57:06 AM

I am an amateur baritone, in school I was used for tenor parts because of course there was a shortage and I had good enough technique that I could sing tenor parts, if not well. Now, I sing second bass for a men's choir, because that was what they were missing. I think all not in-the-middle voices are scarce.

by vintermann

2/11/2026 at 6:28:53 PM

Tenor parts are more difficult, technically speaking, and voices capable of the tenor range are rarer. So any given man joining a choir can more likely manage the bass range, and if they can, they can almost certainly manage the bass parts.

FTA:

> When men do join singing groups, they often avoid the tenor section. The tenor voice is “a cultivated sound”, says John Potter, author of a book on the subject. A man with no vocal training is more likely to have the range of a baritone (a high bass). It does not help that the tenor voice is associated with operatic stars such as Luciano Pavarotti, who could powerfully sing high notes that no amateur can easily reach. And the tenor line in classical choral music can be difficult, with many unexpected notes and alarming leaps.

by delecti

2/12/2026 at 12:33:04 AM

" voices capable of the tenor range are rarer."

surely a real bass is rarer? I just assume, as someone completely musically inept, based on listening to the vocal groups on the radio, that a bass contributes less, and can be omitted more easily?

by jasonfarnon

2/12/2026 at 5:09:11 AM

People at the extreme ends of the spectrum of range are rarer and people in the middle of the range are more common. As it stands, choral bass parts fit better into untrained voices than choral tenor parts. A typical baritone (middle range male voice) can sing choral bass parts well enough, but will find tenor parts relatively strenuous.

by pclmulqdq

2/11/2026 at 5:58:52 PM

As the article states, its usually 2:1 women to men so there is also a kind of shortage of basses, its just not as severe.

by mqus

2/11/2026 at 7:22:22 PM

I can't really recommend joining a choir as a strategy for meeting women but... when I did choir I did alright.

by moomin

2/11/2026 at 6:08:26 PM

I know many women who admit they "fall in love" anytime they hear a low bass. They might marry a tenor and never cheat on them, but every time their hear a low bass their heart flutters. Men know/see this and so tenors become less interested since their higher voices don't get the women (there are plenty of other ways they have).

I don't know how much this is a factor, but...

by bluGill

2/11/2026 at 6:47:07 PM

Anecdotal I guess, but when I was in a high school choir, I loathed that my teacher assigned me to the tenor section. It did not fit with the image of myself that the high school version of me held in my head; "a man should be a baritone or bass after puberty!"

I liked choir and stayed in it for all four years, but I was never particularly good at it so what the hell did I know anyway.

by nozzlegear

2/11/2026 at 6:26:57 PM

This is now my favorite benign conspiracy/cause of the lack of tenors!

Damn those big-voiced basses — they're stealing all our love interests :p

by lbeckman314

2/12/2026 at 11:39:56 AM

"average bass steals all the love interests" factoid actually just statistical error. average bass steals 0 love interests per year. John Tomlinson, who steals 10,000 paramours per year, is an outlier and should not have been counted.

by moomin

2/11/2026 at 8:39:50 PM

i think it's very hard to sing all the way up to the high C5 as a male, this doesn't surprise me at all

by thousand_nights

2/11/2026 at 7:35:50 PM

I sing tenor in a university choir as an older male community member and we encourage anyone to sing tenor whose voice is low enough. Over 1/3 of our tenors are women and our voices blend very well IMO.

by loire280

2/11/2026 at 6:51:52 PM

I read this as "a shortage of tensors" and was curious as to the latest chicanery.

But yeah tenors right -- matches my experience.

by isaacimagine

2/11/2026 at 7:27:51 PM

And here I read the word correctly, yet thought it was going to be about bonds, and the rise of 50- and 100-year maturities. I am a singer btw

by CGMthrowaway

2/11/2026 at 7:25:51 PM

The site is called The Economist so I thought this was going to be about not having enough choices for tenor on loans and similar contracts.

by ziml77

2/11/2026 at 7:20:41 PM

Tensors are in no shortage nowadays. I did read this a tensors though and got a good laugh.

by olliepro

2/11/2026 at 7:18:51 PM

Given that it's the economist, it could have been about illiquidity in the bond markets.

by moomin

2/12/2026 at 8:35:26 AM

Worrying!

by arduanika

2/11/2026 at 7:52:22 PM

I assumed it meant interest rate swap tenors. We need liquidity at the six year point!

by twic

2/12/2026 at 1:47:26 AM

The tenor of the conversation is different than you expected?

by softwaredoug

2/12/2026 at 2:23:13 AM

Might explain the strange weather.

by projektfu

2/11/2026 at 9:04:29 PM

Someone should make a musician training tool called tenorsflow

by softwaredoug

2/11/2026 at 5:50:58 PM

Can't wait for Bloomberg's Odd Lots podcast have a supply chain episode on this topic. :)

by throw0101a

2/11/2026 at 7:18:26 PM

One of my annoyances is that most male pop singing is at too high a range for normal baritone men without vocal training to sing along. I actually find it easier to sing along to female pop songs (by singing an octave lower) than to male pop songs.

by ummonk

2/11/2026 at 8:34:09 PM

If a handsome crooner with a deep voice sings sweet love songs, their fans will consist of hetero women.

If a woman sings in a high voice with a girly-girl image, she will tend to attract men.

A singer or group with great falsetto/whistle register, or female tenor/contralto, ambiguous or hetero lyrics, and androgynous image or radio-only can effectively draw in a broadly mixed-gender audience.

See new wave, synth pop, hair metal, David Bowie, Concrete Blonde, Janis Joplin, Alison Moyet, et. al.

If a performer lands on the far side of the spectrum, the producers will inevitably hire backup dancers and singers to broaden their appeal.

by RupertSalt

2/12/2026 at 12:43:31 AM

"If a woman sings in a high voice with a girly-girl image, she will tend to attract men." You mean attract them sexually? maybe. I don't know any guys who are musically into the celine dions or mariah carey's.

"If a handsome crooner with a deep voice sings sweet love songs, their fans will consist of hetero women." Maybe, but male tenors will get that and more, and it's been that way since I was a young man non-tenor in a choir.

From a '96 Royko column:

"Then there are their voices. Clinton's voice is high-pitched. Dole's is much deeper. Does that matter? You bet it does. Clinton has a voice for today. Just listen to popular rock music. All of the singers have high- pitched, eunuch-like voices. It's almost impossible to tell the men from the women, if there is any difference. There was a long-gone time when a baritone such as Perry Como or a bass such as Vaughn Monroe topped the hit charts; when a deep-voiced singer would bellow: "Old Man River, that Old Man River... he don't plant taters, he don't plant cotton." But today, the lyrics would have to be changed to "Old Person River, that Old Person River... he or she does not plant potatoes or cotton because the work is demeaning."

And today's deep-voiced singers are found only in the country music field, self-pitying losers groaning about their two-timing women going honky-tonkying and leaving them with a sink full of dishes and not one beer in the fridge. Their fans will be too"

by jasonfarnon

2/12/2026 at 1:03:12 AM

There is also the aspect of identifying with the singer, rather than being sung to. A deep-voiced man may enjoy singing the same love songs as Isaac Hayes or Barry White. The women may liken themselves to Mariah or Celine (Shania and Shakira are more my speed, tbh).

Also that Royko column (I assume Mike Royko, journalist?) He doesn't take into account other genres. How many rappers have gruff or menacing deep voices to go along with rattling basslines? How about death metal singers who sing in the signature "death growl"? Plenty of goth, industrial, No Wave vocalists pulled it off too, such as Andrew Eldritch, Sascha Konietzko, Michael Gira, Lux Interior. Baritone/bass vocals were not uncommon, but they were definitely drowned out by the radio and MTV.

by RupertSalt

2/12/2026 at 2:29:45 AM

Hope nobody tells him about Paul Anka, Frankie Valli, Bing Crosby, or John McCormack. It's almost as if there are popular tenor and bass voices in every year.

by projektfu

2/11/2026 at 7:48:02 PM

One of the great injustices of music. As a bass voice, both pop music and theater is _dominated_ by tenors (or maybe they're baritones? The point being that it seems no one wants to hear you if you can't belt a Bb4).

by robrtsql

2/11/2026 at 8:11:39 PM

Tenors. Only particularly challenging baritone parts go above E4 or F4.

by Sharlin

2/12/2026 at 4:19:41 AM

In John Adams' Harmonium, I was surprised to learn the basses go into treble clef for a second. I hadn't sung untransposed treble clef in many years! I think it was only an F#4 or A4 or something but it felt real strange to be singing in the treble clef again.

by satiric

2/11/2026 at 7:23:46 PM

On the Song Exploder podcast, Take on Me episode, the artist talks about the producer saying that a male falsetto was a “make this song a hit” button…

by wintermutestwin

2/12/2026 at 8:43:40 PM

That tracks with my karaoke singing: the higher the note, the louder the audience cheers.

by yellowapple

2/12/2026 at 12:35:15 AM

doesn't he go really low in that song too? i thought what made that song special was the range in that little chorus.

by jasonfarnon

2/12/2026 at 12:46:23 AM

Yes. Ironically the non-falsetto portion (low and high notes, particularly belted in the last chorus) is much harder than the falsetto note. Most singers can do the falsetto note. But for whatever reason that impresses people more.

by rjh29

2/12/2026 at 2:42:30 AM

What does "easy" and "hard" mean? Approaching the range? Matching the pitch? Sustaining it for a time?

There are not many tasks that can be cut-and-dried as universally "easy"/"hard". "The Star Spangled Banner" is a more challenging melody because of its wide range. Also, because it's often sung solo, with minimal accompaniment, to huge crowds.

If I were singing falsetto notes, I could probably launch into the range, but could I match pitch and harmonize without AutoTune?

by RupertSalt

2/12/2026 at 3:38:54 AM

The Take On Me chorus has a two octave range in full voice (A2 to A4) and a falsetto at E5. I think it's harder to find people who can sing that chorus A2-A4 consistently than to find people who can squeak out a falsetto at E5. Yet the falsetto is more "impressive".

I guess I could be biased because I find it easy and not everyone finds reinforced falsetto easy. But for example Bohemian's Rhapsody famous falsetto high note is Bb5, a full half-octave higher.

by rjh29

2/11/2026 at 8:23:21 PM

I go to local performances of baroque-era and somewhat earlier music regularly. I have noticed on occasion in a small vocal performance that has 2 people per part, occasionally a female contralto is paired with a male tenor. (I don’t know enough to know how that works as far as needing to modify the original parts or not.)

Though conversely I’ve also seen a male countertenor paired with a female alto, so maybe it’s just generally “who’s available for this performance” rather than an issue with a general shortage.

by acheron

2/12/2026 at 8:51:24 PM

I'm no professional choir composer/arranger by any means, but my impression from listening to and reading my fair share of choir music is that there's enough overlap between alto and tenor ranges for them to be able to cross over into one anothers' parts in a pinch. It's pretty rare for a composer to write a song with simultaneous use of the altos' upper range and the tenors' lower range, so there probably wouldn't be much need to rewrite anything to make that work.

by yellowapple

2/11/2026 at 7:59:45 PM

I can state that (anecdotally) this is true. My range allows me to be placed in various sections as needed, but the vast majority of the time I am asked to sing tenor, for lack of numbers / strong voices to do so.

by andrewclunn

2/11/2026 at 10:17:17 PM

After taking university music courses, and then private singing lessons, my observation is that most men learn to pitch their voices into a lower register - in order to sound more manly. Gay men tend to stop pitching their voices downwards and this leads to the perception that gay men use high pitches. Likewise, girls are taught to pitch their voices upwards and lesbian voices seem "mannish" due to stopping to pitch their voices to a higher register. It is my theory that men's natural voice/register is a lot higher and that if boys didn't try to sound macho, there would be a lot more tenors and counter-tenors (which is where my natural singing voice goes - not baritone like I thought it was supposed to be).

by Tangurena2

2/11/2026 at 11:29:39 PM

I doubt this is correct. Women tend to be mezzos and men tend to be baritones entirely based on the structure of their vocal apparatus, not because they are trying to force a sound (with the possible exception of gay men). In most cases, men who are good singers tend to sing high because that is where the demand is (tenors in classical music and also very high pop music), but as they learn to relax their larynx their comfortable range often drops.

by pclmulqdq

2/11/2026 at 7:33:06 PM

There’s been an alto shortage for many, many years. Maybe for similar reasons.

by FarmerPotato

2/12/2026 at 4:45:23 AM

I misread this as "A shortage of tensors" ... disappointed.

by snthpy

2/10/2026 at 6:40:00 AM

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by giardini