12/29/2025 at 10:56:12 PM
There is no rapture coming. The idea of the rapture didn't even exist until Morgan Edwards came up with it in 1788. It didn't become popular until John Nelson Darby developed and popularized it starting around 1827-33 by conflating verses from different books of the Bible.In Matthew 24:40-41 (also Matthew 13) it speaks of one being taken and one being left, but the people being taken are being destroyed by an invading army, like happened in Jerusalem in 70AD when the temple was destroyed. You want to be the one left behind. You also see this in Genesis when the people were taken away by the flood and they perished.
In 1st Thessalonians 4:17, it talks about being caught up but it isn't speaking about what we understand as the rapture today. It is referring to a convention where a Roman ruler would triumphantly return to a city and the people would go out to greet him and return with him to the city.
The beast was Nero (his name in Gematria adds up to 666). All of the end times events either happened 1900 years ago or aren't ever going to happen.
by timbit42
12/29/2025 at 11:33:47 PM
Definitely is a relatively newer innovation/reading. In the earlier days of the religion (thus Byzantine), Amphilochius of Iconium mentioned that the book of Revelation was widely held to be dubious, and Eusebius of Caesarea himself doubted its authenticity.by PeterHolzwarth
12/29/2025 at 11:02:58 PM
Did anything happen between Darby and Hal Lindsay? Seems like about ~80 year gap before it become de rigeur again?by why-o-why
12/30/2025 at 8:22:37 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible is probably the most important thing in that interim.by Avshalom
12/30/2025 at 12:17:40 AM
I don't believe in the rapture (or really anything in Christianity), but why would the idea of the rapture being a recent idea change anything? Why would it being suggested 2000 years ago suddenly make it more likely to be true?by tombert
12/30/2025 at 12:31:46 AM
If the idea goes back to the first century, then it is more likely Jesus or his disciples or Paul knew the idea or believed or taught it, regardless of what was recorded in the New Testament. Since, it doesn't, it is much less likely to be a valid teaching of Jesus.Often the issue is that Christians tend to treat the books of the Bible as being univocal, that is, that the authors all had the same ideas and believed the same things. Upon close scrutiny, it becomes obvious that they didn't all believe the same things. This means taking verses out of context from different books and trying to make them agree is a poor way to understand each authors unique message.
by timbit42
12/30/2025 at 2:46:40 AM
There are millions of people who believe that God's chosen profit was Joseph Smith, about two-hundred years ago. Certainly they don't think that having close proximity to Jesus is an important factor.I think it's all very silly, honestly.
by tombert
12/30/2025 at 5:04:43 PM
Ultimately the more ridiculous and unbelievable the beliefs are the stronger your faith must be to keep them. It is a paradox of religion. I believe this is the underlying force that pushes people out to the fringes of their religion: the need to prove themselves the better man/woman by showing how strong their faith is.by jandrese