12/12/2025 at 10:42:19 PM
Every time I see a CyberTruck out in the wild, I feel like reality is broken.The level of disaster of that rollout, combined with D.O.G.E. and "Mechahitler" Grok, has forever tarnished the Tesla brand. I suspect there is a sizable group of people who will never buy a product by that brand ever again (or at least as long as Musk is at the helm).
by jaredcwhite
12/12/2025 at 11:25:19 PM
YupEvery time I see a CyberTruck out in the wild, I am still just stunned by the crappy design — like a dumpster designed for anti-performance — the wheel positioning and size is all wrong, and the metalwork always looks cheap because the 'flat' surfaces are always wavy or rippled, and the seams don't match up properly.
I am definitely one of those people who used to look forward to buying a Tesla next time I change vehicles, but will never consider it now (and I'm big on electric vehicles).
by toss1
12/14/2025 at 11:53:39 PM
That might be true in the US, but it doesn't appear to be so for Tesla in the rest of the world. For example, Tesla is the number 1 selling EV in Norway. They have also opened Tesla dealerships in India. Potentially, whatever damage they have done to themselves in the US, they might be able to offset that with good sales in other friendlier countries.While they've hurt their image in the US, for now, that might change over time. 5 or 10 years from now, possibly aided by more success from SpaceX, Tesla's or Musk's image could recover.
by baranul
12/12/2025 at 10:53:37 PM
I notice you skipped mentioning the CEO doing nazi salutes.by ekjhgkejhgk
12/12/2025 at 11:19:13 PM
I love how they claim it wasn't a nazi salute... that was absolutely a nazi salute. Nobody can watch that and say that it wasn't.by narcotraffico1
12/13/2025 at 12:01:35 AM
I saw it live (before all the commentary) and didn’t think it was a nazi salute :/by homieg33
12/13/2025 at 3:21:24 AM
Here's a video[1] of it to jog anyone's memory who saw and might not remember it.by heavyset_go
12/13/2025 at 11:01:00 AM
I gave him some benefit of the doubt at first that he might just have a weird 'my heart goes out to you' gesture. But footage was found of him doing an actual one of those https://www.reddit.com/r/centrist/comments/1i8ajx0/video_of_...Completely different.
by tim333
12/13/2025 at 12:03:13 AM
What do you think now?by brazukadev
12/13/2025 at 3:56:05 AM
You didn't think this [1] was a Nazi salute?
by CamperBob2
12/13/2025 at 5:23:03 PM
What about after, when he explained it away by making "I did not 'Nazi' that coming" jokes on Twitter?by muwtyhg
12/13/2025 at 3:47:50 AM
[flagged]by gamblor956
12/13/2025 at 3:40:19 AM
But now you know it was one. His platform pushes nazi propaganda as well, often amplified by Musk himself.by spiderfarmer
12/13/2025 at 12:02:49 AM
When I watched a very short clip juxtaposed next to a clip of a nazi salute, then it looked like one to me.But when I watched it in context, it looked like a man putting a hand on his heart and then proffering his thanks to the audience.
My belief is that it was most likely not a nazi salute and is not relevant evidence in the important task of assessing Musk's political stances.
by hazbot
12/13/2025 at 12:39:42 AM
Looked like a man putting a hand on his heart and then saluting the fuhrer.by ekjhgkejhgk
12/13/2025 at 12:25:44 AM
Yes, when he said the Jews were intentionally importing substandard humans into western nations to undermine the US, I didn't need hand gestures to think he's a Nazi either.by ZeroGravitas
12/13/2025 at 11:50:16 AM
Yes this is much stronger and relevant evidenceby hazbot
12/13/2025 at 2:30:55 AM
I don't follow Musk's utterances. Is this a joke or something Musk has actually said?by pxc
12/13/2025 at 3:09:52 AM
Musk responded "you have said the actual truth" to a tweet saying this.by UncleMeat
12/13/2025 at 11:19:47 AM
Though he apologised:>"I'm sorry for that tweet or post," Musk said Wednesday. "It was foolish of me."
by tim333
12/13/2025 at 5:13:04 PM
That apology is for posting it, not for believing it.by ModernMech
12/13/2025 at 3:18:38 AM
When Musk purchased and rebranded Twitter as X he also unbanned a large number of accounts famed for Nazi and similar race based content.He has famously thumbs-ed up significant chunks of such content and in the event mentioned here replied to an explicit statement (as outlined about) as being "the actual truth".
See, eg: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67446800
He is an unquestionable fan of Nazi like content, many will shrug it off as his grandfather was an actual Nazi fan (having to move from Canada(?) to South Africa because of such beliefs), and his uncle (IIRC, certainly a close family relative) was a senior member of the South African apartheid government.
by defrost
12/13/2025 at 12:47:03 AM
I watched the whole thing live, that was a Sieg Heil snap and all, and it fits with his edgelord persona.Your belief is incorrect
by lovich
12/13/2025 at 3:05:25 AM
If it wasn't, though, why wouldn't he apologize and unequivocally denounce nazi-ism after it happened instead of trolling, playing gotcha games to pwn the libs and doubling down? His jokes about the Holocaust and mocking critics made it worse. He loves reckless, performative provocation and to stir the pot.Terrible branding for Tesla of him to singlehandedly permanently alienate the majority of his customer base.
by randycupertino
12/13/2025 at 11:26:09 AM
Did he joke about the holocaust? I googled and there were some jokes about nazis but I didn't see a holocaust one.by tim333
12/13/2025 at 3:18:52 AM
Incredible this comment is 4 hours old and not flagged. Hacker news is dead.by EnPissant
12/13/2025 at 2:41:11 AM
Yeah I think it will probably go down as the biggest mistake Tesla has made.They could have spent all the effort building EV delivery trucks with built in self driving which would help them collect even more data for FSD to tell them rollout robotaxis.
by impulser_
12/13/2025 at 5:16:09 PM
Camera only is still a bigger mistake because without LiDAR, the EV delivery trucks with built in self driving will not work.by ModernMech
12/12/2025 at 10:54:53 PM
Eventually, they’ll be fine. Wolkswagen was established by the German nazi regime and it has been fine for a long time in spite of its past.by antaviana
12/12/2025 at 11:27:13 PM
Great example, but I'm no so sure.The board and shareholders had their chance to dump Musk a few weeks ago; they could have just turned down his ridiculous pay package and he would have left. They didn't so he'll be dragging them down for at least another decade.
by toss1
12/13/2025 at 12:04:18 AM
Volkswagen was handed over to be run by a British military officer immediately following the war.Tesla’s board decided after the war was lost to not only let the nazi sympathizer continue running the company, but to give him an egregiously disproportionate compensation package. The guy who single handedly pushed the biggest failure in the history of the company (cybertruck) is apparently the only one who can save the company.
I expect at some point they’ll be acquired for pennies on the dollar by a Chinese company or if Trump gets his way he’ll insist on a government takeover.
by tw04
12/13/2025 at 3:45:49 AM
He’ll probably let Jared Kushner have a go.by spiderfarmer
12/13/2025 at 3:26:05 AM
The weird thing I find with the Cybertruck is that I never see anyone using it for obviously truck-y things. For example, I've never seen a CT in the wild with the bed open.You'd expect to see it hauling ladders or tools or towing horse boxes and so on, but nope. It makes me curious why. Is the truck overpriced for anyone who needs a truck to work? That seems unlikely, trucks are already north of 70,000 bucks. Are there no accessories like towing hitches? Seems unlikely. Is it just not a usefully sized bed? That would be a bizarre miss for a truck designer. I just dont understand it.
As a truck, is the CT any good, or no?
by kjellsbells
12/13/2025 at 6:47:44 AM
Trucks are virtually nonexistent where I live. People who want to transport stuff mostly use VW Crafters or pull a trailer with their regular car.by adrianN
12/13/2025 at 4:30:59 AM
Honestly, you could say the same things about most trucks. They’re used more for posturing than as tools at this point. Though the CT does seem to be particularly unreliable based on its frequent recalls.by subdude
12/13/2025 at 12:48:42 PM
Irony is that, at least moving forward, you can see a child in front of a cyber truck before you crush them. But if you hit any anyone with those sharp edges...US truck customers are getting smarter. The fleet trucks, for HVAC, plumbers, and appliance installation and repair, I see in my area are almost all vans now. Butch pickup trucks still have the gender affirming care market.
by Zigurd
12/13/2025 at 2:17:20 AM
Shareholders must be the weakest most by-passable interest group in corporate america.Would I stand by and allow my shares and future profits flounder while the head guy goes rogue? No blankin' way.
Regardless of personal preference for politics, no serious organization should ever want to come within one light year of DC politics. It can only use, besmirch, tarnish, degrade the organization's credibility and from there hit into money. Trump makes it exponentially worse.
by scrubs