5/19/2025 at 5:22:30 PM
Wikipedia is one of the pinnacles of human knowledge and achievement across all cultures and time and space, as much as people try to sue them and get content taken down the set of laws and protections it enjoys is a true moral and technological good.It saddens me that we will probably see the end of wikipedia soon.
The Wikimedia Foundation has been fined multiple times by Russian courts for example, it's just not in Russia's jurisdiction.
I expect the slow ramp of anti wikipedia rhetoric, which will all be plausible to the credulous, until public sentiment is swayed enough to strip their protections.
Now that college students are using completely unsourced, uninspectable chatgpt to write papers even that cohort won't protest.
And then instead of having a messy but checkable and certainly criticizable open repository of all human knowledge we will have opaque bs producers that are impossible to criticize because it will show eqch person what they want to see with no room for open debate or discussion and humanity will lose any attempt at curating shared, open touchstones of truth and fact.
by fellowniusmonk
5/19/2025 at 7:46:57 PM
> It saddens me that we will probably see the end of wikipedia soon... I expect the slow ramp of anti wikipedia rhetoric... Now that college students are using completely unsourced...Where is this doom and gloom coming from?
Wikipedia isn't ending. Legal challenges can be dealt with as they always have, and in the worst-case scenario the org can move countries if necessary. I can't even imagine why you "expect the slow ramp of anti wikipedia rhetoric". Where is this coming from? Even if something happened to the org, some other org can clone it -- content and infrastructure and all.
And college students still have to cite their sources, and I don't even know what that has to do with Wikipedia, which isn't something any college student should be citing directly anyways.
Your pessimism doesn't seem to be based on any kind of facts, unless I'm missing something here? Especially with the inaccuracies of LLM's, people continue to care about correct knowledge, and so people will continue to use and update Wikipedia. Heck, LLM's may even make Wikipedia more important than it's ever been before.
by crazygringo
5/19/2025 at 8:04:12 PM
> Your pessimism doesn't seem to be based on any kind of facts, unless I'm missing something hereYes, the slow ramp of anti Wikipedia rhetoric is a documented fact, in both Russia and the USA: https://gizmodo.com/trump-doj-threatens-wikipedias-nonprofit...
by thanhhaimai
5/19/2025 at 8:43:55 PM
You're calling it a "slow ramp (up)".I don't see any evidence of that. It's just more legal attacks just like there have always been. Wikipedia has plenty of money to defend itself, and can always move resources between countries.
I don't see anything new going on. It may be new in the US, but it's also merely one government official who sent one letter, and any legal challenge there is incredibly unlikely to succeed in the courts.
by crazygringo
5/19/2025 at 11:11:48 PM
Unlike the parent post, I don't think that Wikipedia will end soon. However, Wikipedia has definitely handicapped itself for the sake of submitting to the the law in the last couple of years.Specifically, this has been the case with the formerly fair use illustrations which are now shrunk to a tiny size. This makes Wikipedia a far less useful encyclopaedia for topics like the history of art. Not only did they edit out the images, but they also made the previous versions unreachable in the edit history, which contrasts with the transparency that used to distinguish the project before.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I understand the legal need for this change and I still love and support Wikipedia, but it would be naïve to take its current status for granted and assume that the foundation can just move to another country (where?) or that cloning would be easy when the edit history can be retroactively erased.
by marc_abonce
5/19/2025 at 6:21:43 PM
Humanity clearly must not go down this path, yet it does nothing to alter its trajectory. Those who study history are doomed to watch it repeat. It's hard not to develop distain for the collective stupidity, but more enraging is the impotent passivity of the best and the brightest. We seem unable to imagine a reachable future that is worth imagining, the daunting scale of our global problems stupefying us.I'd love to change the world, but I don't know what to do. So I'll leave it up to you.
by ddq
5/19/2025 at 7:37:55 PM
Recently, I found myself in a sadness for the lack of changes I was capable of making to our life’s systemic dysfunctions - be it natural or artificial - and found my time was much better spent improving the lives around me directly, individually or in small groups.I’ve long had the philosophy that the world has enough problems and that it’s not my place to add to them, but this philosophy also gave me a motivation to move mountains for solutions - and would be upset when I inevitably couldn’t. I think this perspective has been the best middle ground between what I’m capable of, and what I want to accomplish.
by HaZeust
5/19/2025 at 9:15:41 PM
apocolyptic poetry doom has been tried.. maybe something elseIf you dont like the news, go out and make some of your own
by mistrial9
5/19/2025 at 7:31:53 PM
The value of Wikipedia is provided mostly by its community of users, not any assets owned by the Wikimedia Foundation. All legal entities currently associated with Wikipedia could be completely seized and shut down; all it takes for it to be reborn is a critical mass of engaged users picking a new domain to rehost the content and telling everyone about it.by yorwba
5/19/2025 at 7:17:39 PM
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