alt.hn

5/19/2025 at 7:48:22 AM

Link Time Optimizations: New Way to Do Compiler Optimizations

 https://johnnysswlab.com/link-time-optimizations-new-way-to-do-compiler-optimizations/

by signa11

5/21/2025 at 5:07:47 PM

Link time optimizations were done in the 1980s if I recall correctly.

I never tried to implement them, finding it easier and more effective for the compiler to simply compile all the source files at the same time.

The D compiler is designed to be able to build one object file per source file at a time, or one object file which combines all of the source files. Most people choose the one object file.

by WalterBright

5/21/2025 at 9:47:41 PM

In C++, there is a trick to get this behavior called "unity builds", where you include all of your source files into a single file and then invoke the compiler on that file.

Of course, being C++, this subtly changes behavior and must be done carefully. I like this article that explains the ins and outs of using unity builds: https://austinmorlan.com/posts/unity_jumbo_build/

by senkora

5/21/2025 at 10:59:07 PM

> this subtly changes behavior

The D module design ensures that module imports are independent of each other and are independent of the importer.

by WalterBright

5/21/2025 at 5:20:43 PM

I think MLton does it this way.

http://mlton.org/WholeProgramOptimization

Dynamically linked and dynamically loaded libraries are useful though (paid for with its problems of course)

by srean

5/22/2025 at 12:29:06 AM

For Inko (https://inko-lang.org/) I went a step further: it generates an object file for each type, instead of per source file or per project. The idea is that if e.g. a generic type is specialized into a new instance (or has some methods added to it), only the object file for that type needs to be re-generated. This in turn should allow for much more fine-grained incremental compilation.

The downside is that you can end up with thousands of object files, but for modern linkers that isn't a problem.

by YorickPeterse

5/21/2025 at 7:08:20 PM

Yea, generating many object files seems like weird thing. Maybe it was good thing decades ago, but now?

Because then you need to link them, thus you need some kind of linker.

Just generate one output file and skip the linker

by tester756

5/22/2025 at 9:24:32 AM

Generating many object files is pointless for building an executable or a dynamic library, but it remains the desired behavior for building a static library.

Many software projects that must generate multiple executables are better structured as a static library plus one source file with the "main" function for each executable.

by adrian_b

5/22/2025 at 6:44:51 PM

One thing the D compiler does is it can generate a library in one step (no need to use the librarian). Give a bunch of source files and object files on the command line, specify a library as the output, and boom! library created directly (compiling the source files, and adding the object files).

I haven't used a librarian program for maybe a decade.

by WalterBright

5/21/2025 at 8:51:34 PM

Not maybe. Sufficient RAM for compilation was a serious issue back in the day.

by yencabulator

5/22/2025 at 12:00:21 AM

Sure, and if any file is touched, just process them all.

by kazinator

5/22/2025 at 9:33:35 AM

Some compilers had incremental compilation to handle this during development builds.

Then only the functions touched inside some file would be recompiled, not the remainder of the file or other files.

Obviously, choosing incremental compilation inhibited some optimizations.

by adrian_b

5/21/2025 at 8:03:47 PM

I've considered many times doing just that.

by WalterBright

5/21/2025 at 8:49:16 PM

And what was the result/conclusion of such considerations?

by tester756

5/21/2025 at 11:02:06 PM

Not worth the effort.

1. linkers have increased enormously in complexity

2. little commonality between linkers for different platforms

3. compatibility with the standalone linkers

4. trying to keep up with constant enhancement of existing linkers

by WalterBright

5/22/2025 at 11:24:12 AM

It sounds like this would prevent the inherit concurrency you would get out of handling files separately?

by dooglius

5/22/2025 at 6:41:20 PM

It's complicated and not at all clear. For example, most modules import other modules. With separate compilation, most of the modules need to be compiled multiple times, with all-together, it's only once.

On the other hand, the optimizer and code generator can be run concurrently in multiple processes/threads.

by WalterBright

5/21/2025 at 4:40:12 PM

What do you mean, new? LTO has been in GCC since 2011. It's old enough to have a social media account in most jurisdictions.

by Deukhoofd

5/21/2025 at 5:02:23 PM

Pretty sure MSVC ".NET" was doing link-time whole-program optimization in 2001.

by jeffbee

5/21/2025 at 5:11:59 PM

HPUX compilers were doing this back in 1993.

by andyayers

5/21/2025 at 5:34:30 PM

Oh yeah, well ... actually I got nothin'. You win.

I will just throw in some nostalgia for how good that compiler was. My college roommate brought an HP pizza box that his dad secured from HP, and the way the C compiler quoted chapter and verse from ISO C in its error messages was impressive.

by jeffbee

5/21/2025 at 5:22:18 PM

Yes and if I remember correctly there used to be Linux distros that had all the distro binaries LTO'ed.

by srean

5/21/2025 at 11:00:53 PM

Different .c/.cpp files being a barrier to optimisation always struck me as an oddly low bar for the 21st century. Yes I know the history of compilation units but these days that's not how we use the system. We don't split code into source files for memory reasons, we do it for organisation. On a small/medium codebase and a decent computer you could probably fit dozens of source files into memory to compile and optimise together. The memory constraint problem has largely disappeared.

So why do we still use the old way? LTO seems effectively like a hack to compensate for the fact that the compilation model doesn't fit our modern needs. Obviously this will never change in C/C++ due to momentum and backwards compatibility. But a man can dream.

by mcdeltat

5/21/2025 at 4:21:13 PM

Maybe add the date to the title, because it's hardly new at this point

by sakex

5/21/2025 at 4:41:37 PM

...or in 2020 (the year of the article).

by vsl

5/21/2025 at 5:05:10 PM

I tried LTO with Solvespace 4 years ago and got about 15 percent better performance:

https://github.com/solvespace/solvespace/issues/972

Build time was terrible taking a few minutes vs 30-40 seconds for a full build. Have they done anything to use multi-core for LTO? It only used one core for that.

Also tested OpenMP which was obviously a bigger win. More recently I ran the same test after upgrading from an AMD 2400G to a 5700G which has double the cores and about 1.5x the IPC. The result was a solid 3x improvement so we scale well with cores going from 4 to 8.

by phkahler

5/21/2025 at 5:32:43 PM

Both clang and GCC support multi-core LTO, as does Rust. However, you have to partition the code, so the more cores you use the less benefit to LTO. Rust partitions by crate by default, but it can increase parallelism by partitioning each crate. I think "fat LTO" is the term typically used for whole-program, or at least in the case of Rust, whole-crate LTO, whereas "thin LTO" is what you get when you LTO partitions and then link those together normally. For clang and GCC, you can either have them automatically partition the code for thin LTO , or do it explicitly via your Makefile rules[1].

[1] Interestingly, GCC actually invokes Make internally to implement thin LTO, which lets it play nice with GNU Make's job control and obey the -j switch.

by wahern

5/21/2025 at 5:35:16 PM

Link time optimization is definitely not new, but it is incredibly powerful - I have personally had situations where the failure to be able to inline functions from a static library without lto cut performance in half.

It's easy to dismiss a basic article like this, but it's basically a discovery that every Junior engineer will make, and it's useful to talk about those too!

by Remnant44

5/21/2025 at 6:48:17 PM

The inline keyword should really have been intended for call sites rather than definitions.

Perhaps language designers thought that if a function needs to be inlined everywhere, it would lead to verbose code. In any case, it's a weak hint that compilers generally treat with much disdain.

by srean

5/22/2025 at 10:08:21 AM

Any idea on the performance improvements with these LTO?

by jordiburgos

5/21/2025 at 10:03:45 PM

ffmpeg has a lot of assembly code in it, so it's a very odd choice of program to use for this kind of test as LTO is presumably not going to do anything to the assembly.

by lilyball

5/22/2025 at 6:27:25 AM

So slow

by djmips

5/21/2025 at 5:21:33 PM

[dead]

by gitroom

5/21/2025 at 11:58:32 PM

LTO breaks code which assumes that the compiler has no idea what is behind an external function call and must not assume anything about the values of objects that the code might have access to:

    securely_wipe_memory(&obj, sizeof obj);
    return;
  }
Compiler peeks into securely_wipe_memory and sees that it has no effect because obj is a local variable which has no "next use" in the data flow graph. Thus the call is removed.

Another example:

    gc_protect(object);
    return
  }
Here, gc_protect is an empty function. Without LTO, the compiler must assume that the value of object is required for the gc_protect call and so the generated code has to hang on to that value until that call is made. With LTO, the compiler peeks at the definition of gc_protect and sees the ruse: the function is empty! Therefore, that line of code does not represent a use of the variable. The generated code can use the register or memory location for something else long before that line. If the garbage collector goes off in that part of the code, the object is prematurely collected (if what was lost happens to be the last reference to it).

Some distros have played with turning on LTO as a default compiler option for building packages. It's a very, very bad idea.

by kazinator