4/20/2025 at 12:11:32 AM
Unblinded, tiny sample size (n=10), and a ridiculous attempt to trademark a pure 100Hz tone.I'm gonna wait for a much better study reproducing this before I put any stock in it, personally.
by bhaney
4/20/2025 at 8:22:57 AM
I first found it hilarious that there are 9 authors for a 10 person experiment, but I double checked.There are multiple experiments with 82 total participants. One of those experiments does indeed have a sample size of 10.
Yup, this is still “wait and see”. For these kinds of papers my stance is: “cool read, I won’t click the share button”.
by laserbeam
4/20/2025 at 12:38:51 AM
We don’t need a peer reviewed study to test it out.by janalsncm
4/20/2025 at 11:15:13 AM
and to test it here (it might be very loud!):CTRL+SHIFT+I and in the console
let o, a=new AudioContext();
document.addEventListener("mousedown",function(){
if (o) {o.stop(); o = undefined}
else{ o=a.createOscillator(); o.type="sine"; o.frequency.value=100;
o.connect(a.destination);o.start()}
})
by marci
4/20/2025 at 5:07:54 PM
It sounds like a pitch that you might hear from an airplane propeller, which leads to the question why airsickness exists if the antidote is ambiently present?by skykooler
4/20/2025 at 4:20:55 AM
Am I the only one who started to feel a bit nauseous listening to this? I'm serious.by thesparks
4/20/2025 at 9:51:44 AM
it made me feel slightly uneasy. Brains are weirdby Angostura
4/20/2025 at 4:46:32 AM
That may be a good thing. Most of the seasickness drugs make you queasy, if you don't go out on a rolling sea after taking them.by pomian
4/20/2025 at 5:21:04 AM
Uh...no...It would be completely bonkers for an antiemetic to commonly induce an emetic urge in any but rare exceptional cases.
Most seasickness drugs are just first-generation antihistamines sometimes combined with a caffeine analogue to counteract the sleepiness.
Dramamine/Gravol (dimenhydrinate) is just benadryl (diphenhydramine) plus the caffeine analogue theophylline.
Bonine/DramamineII (meclizine) is also a first-generation antihistamine.
Promethazine is also a first-generation antihistamine.
Non-antihistamine antiemetics like ondansetron or scopolamine transdermal patches require a prescription from a doctor and therefore aren't commonly used for motion sickness except for occupational seafarers. And it would still be absolutely stupid if the drugs given to prevent nausea commonly caused nausea.
by BugsJustFindMe
4/20/2025 at 8:59:54 AM
I think it’s not uncommon for a drug treating some condition with some symptom to have a potential side effect that worsens that symptom. When you start playing with some set of receptors, it’s possible something goes too far or, for whatever reason, not far enough and now we’re worse offSee: antidepressants can increase suicidal ideation, cannabis (used for nausea) can cause nausea at higher doses, etc.
by DrBenCarson
4/20/2025 at 1:48:52 PM
> I think it’s not uncommon for a drug treating some condition with some symptom to have a potential side effect that worsens that symptom.I think you're making the error of conflating probabilities here. It's not uncommon for drugs to have uncommon side effects, but those side effects are still uncommon. Every once in a while benadryl makes a person paradoxically excited, but most people who take benadryl get sleepy.
by BugsJustFindMe
4/20/2025 at 9:23:14 AM
As an occasional user, can confirm that motion sickness pills (e.g. Cinnarizine, one of the most used in the British Navy) make dizzy, some more than other, and that it’s still much better overall than not taking them.by xico
4/20/2025 at 8:17:51 AM
Why would it be stupid? You are concentrating on the vomiting part but aren't other sensations related to motion sickness like shaky balance that drugs could help out with?by rzzzt
4/20/2025 at 9:44:08 AM
Not to mention the possibility of triggering a response that the trigger would help combat if you already exhibited the response. Or it simply being an uncommon side effect that it's made worse. Headaches and nausea are listed in possible side effects for just about everything, because if anyone reports it they have to list it since the possibility of causality hasn't been ruled out.by OJFord
4/20/2025 at 1:23:58 PM
Does that mean when death is listed that somebody died during the trial?by dcow
4/20/2025 at 1:45:25 PM
> You are concentrating on the vomiting partThe nausea part. The person I'm replying to specifically said "queasy".
by BugsJustFindMe
4/20/2025 at 6:40:35 AM
Should I have been able to hear something? I feel like my ears need popped nowby pipes
4/20/2025 at 8:15:49 AM
It's a sine (or sine-like) sound at a low pitch (around G2). Our ears aren't great at those frequencies, and the speaker you use might be bad at that range too. It's a bass frequency, but most bass sounds have a lot of overtones, which makes them sound clearer than the fundamental.by tgv
4/20/2025 at 11:20:23 AM
Thanksby pipes
4/20/2025 at 12:23:20 PM
Double blind randomized controlled trial or it didn't happen. The subjects have to fill a form. It's common that people want to be nice and lie a little. Also, the exitement of the experiment may make them less focused in the problem, or there may be many other additional effects that are dificult to control. A DBRCT minimize them.by gus_massa
4/20/2025 at 1:15:19 PM
The participating mice also wanted to be nice and lied to the scientists, as they kept them well fed.by siddbudd
4/21/2025 at 1:49:24 AM
There is always a risk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_HansAnyway, if the researchers are not blinded there are many possible sources of errors.
Perhaps they do the first test in the morning, the sound just before lunch and the second test in the afternoon is made by another person that is more/less friendly to the rats, or the rats has the stomach more full/empty.
After changing a program and running benchmark, I sometimes run it again if the new program is not faster as I expected. I even gave a second chance to deterministic test, that is as useful as it sounds. It's possible that if the rat does not collaborate the researchers hit's the equivalent of Ctr-F5 just to be sure.
It's hard to be 100% neutral, so a method is to not know to ensure all rats have exactly the same test conditions.
by gus_massa
4/20/2025 at 3:49:12 PM
[dead]by genkiman
4/20/2025 at 4:49:52 AM
Is using a 100Hz tone to alleviate motion sickness not patent worthy? Does not seem obvious.by georgeburdell
4/20/2025 at 3:32:57 AM
Under capitalism, what do you want? If you went and put in a bunch of your own time, money, and effort into something, is asking for something back so you can put food on the table so reprehensible? I mean, I'd love it if I were independently wealthy and could go off and do a mission like that and just give it away for free, but some of us didn't get a trust fund and have bills to pay and so, is that really so ridiculous?by fragmede
4/20/2025 at 3:46:35 AM
That's why you use gov to fund reliable research, collective money funding collective good of knowledgeby therobot24
4/20/2025 at 4:13:05 AM
> is that really so ridiculous?Using the heavy hand of the state to threaten violence against people who make a particular tone... yes that is really so ridiculous.
The tone is question is quite close to G2. So, if your guitar is slightly sharp, you'll be making this tone when playing one of the most common chords.
by jMyles
4/20/2025 at 9:04:37 AM
Nobody is threatening violence against you for playing your guitar sharp. I have no idea where violence even came into play here.It’s a registered trademark. A registered trademark is a legal designation that provides exclusive rights to a brand name, logo, or other distinctive symbol used to identify a specific product or service; they registered Spice Sound or whatever as a trademark.
They did not patent 100Hz.
You would only be liable if you walked around playing your sharp guitar with a sign that said “Get your Spice Sound here” heh
I’m not defending it, and it reminds me of that woman in Baltimore who pissed everyone off by trademarking “Hon”, causing the whole city to revolt against her.
But it’s far from “threatening violence,” and they’re not patenting the sound.
by borski
4/20/2025 at 9:46:49 AM
> Nobody is threatening violence against you for playing your guitar sharp. I have no idea where violence even came into play here. It’s a registered trademark. A registered trademark is a legal designation that provides exclusive rights to a brand name, logo, or other distinctive symbol used to identify a specific product or service; they registered Spice Sound or whatever as a trademark.And what happens to you if you don’t abide by the legal protections of the trademark? The government must ultimately use violence or the threat of violence to enforce its rules.
by nkrisc
4/20/2025 at 9:58:07 AM
That’s not how audio trademarks work. A sound trademark can represent a product (think Intel jiggle, MGM lion roar) but it can’t be the product.So in this case I suppose they might be able to Trademark ’Antivomotone’ as a word mark to describe the tone, but no-one is going to be able to trademark the tone itself.
by Angostura
4/20/2025 at 8:36:39 AM
If I discovered that oxygen cured diabetes I couldn't just patent oxygen. This is a discovery (if it ever holds up) that a sound makes you feel a certain way, the authors didn't invent anythingby adammarples
4/20/2025 at 9:02:25 AM
That’s why they didn’t patent it. They registered the 100Hz specific tone as a trademark.by borski
4/20/2025 at 7:05:35 AM
You cannot have a government with a high interest and stake in national security without bringing up all of those 16 identified "critical infrastructure sectors" with you.CVEs are almost a starting point of truth. The threats can be verified, tested against/for, etc.
They're also tied up in insurance liabilities.
If there are no CVEs, there will be no cyber security insurance.
Follow the rabbit hole.
by esseph
4/20/2025 at 7:58:21 AM
IP rights are a government legal construction. Legal constructions should be designed to best serve a societal purpose. In this case, a careful balance between the need to preserve incentive, and the need to prevent the many downsides associated with IP protection.by energy123
4/20/2025 at 4:09:27 AM
Getting paid for work in not capitalism. Capitalism is a private person owning the work someone else does that they put up the capital for.by crotho