alt.hn

4/2/2025 at 12:10:46 PM

Don't Bother with Vibe Coding

 https://www.soeren.codes/articles/do-not-bother-with-vibe-coding

by CER10TY

4/2/2025 at 12:48:00 PM

I just went to check that job posting for "Vibe Coder" [0]

> At least 50% of the code you write right now should be done by AI; Vibe coding experience is non-negotiable.

That is absolutely ridiculous.. As the kids say these days, I think that company is cooked.

0 - https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/domu-technology-inc/jo...

by bilekas

4/2/2025 at 1:01:05 PM

This startup has its staff working 12-15 hour days to use AI to write the code for an AI system that gets people to pay up on their debts. Collecting debts involves dealing with people who are in difficult, exceptional situations: I have no faith that they are willing to properly engage with any of the detail. I have absolutely no doubt that this company will leave a long trail of suicides behind it.

by cjs_ac

4/2/2025 at 11:33:38 PM

Bootcampers have brought their gold digging ethos with them into our industry and will soon outnumber those of us who prioritize safety and quality.

"The safety and welfare of society and the common good, duty to our principals, and duty to each other, require that we adhere, and be seen to adhere, to the highest ethical standards of behavior."[0]

[0] https://www.isc2.org/ethics

by joquarky

4/2/2025 at 1:19:21 PM

Over 50% of my code is AI generated. You couldn't tell the difference between the AI code and what I wrote by hand two years ago.

by jf22

4/2/2025 at 2:16:02 PM

I've heard of self-deprecation but this is on a whole new level

by do_not_redeem

4/2/2025 at 3:46:29 PM

I think you meant this as an insult but the tools are that good.

by jf22

4/2/2025 at 11:34:51 PM

If you're reviewing and shaping the AI's output with care, then it is your code.

It's kind of like using autocomplete in Gmail: nobody says, “Well, Google wrote 20% of that message.”

We just quietly thank the autocomplete gods for saving us from typing “per my last email” one more time.

by joquarky

4/2/2025 at 7:41:05 PM

I've never seen a more cursed job posting than this.

by rozap

4/2/2025 at 1:25:29 PM

How do I short this

by zero-g

4/2/2025 at 12:52:29 PM

Tell me this is some kind of parody.

"Putting in 12 to 15-hour days, the engineering team has traveled to +10 cities in the past half-year for product launches."

"Solve deep product problems like how to collect more money with a voice AI agent."

by piokoch

4/2/2025 at 2:41:30 PM

> "Solve deep product problems like how to collect more money with a voice AI agent."

Next "killer app"...an app you can send a phone call to the moment you realize it's a spammer/collector/etc. The app uses an LLM and voice synth to have the most boring and frustrating conversation ever with the caller. It should frequently ask them to repeat themselves, pretend to misunderstand common words, and for bonus points...speak in a broken accent. I'd pay $20 for that app right now.

by hatradiowigwam

4/2/2025 at 3:29:21 PM

It ends up with AIs chatting between them over the phone in like 1 year top

by furstenheim

4/2/2025 at 12:57:51 PM

Their mission statement is: "Automating debt collection calls for banks".

Which is kind of funny, because if it's an automated call you don't need to even take it. Who picks up the phone from unknown numbers these days?

by bambax

4/3/2025 at 3:46:58 AM

People who are sick receiving 1000 automated calls per day. Eventually you'll cave in.

by dzhiurgis

4/2/2025 at 1:00:33 PM

The crazy thing is when that was first posted to HN, the salary was 50% lower.

Shocking that no one wanted to work there.

by morcus

4/2/2025 at 7:14:34 PM

I mean, honestly, everything about that ad comes across as basically a parody of a terrible tech company. 12-15 hour days! The actual product! I’m having some difficulty believing it’s real.

by rsynnott

4/2/2025 at 12:50:03 PM

This article makes the fundamental flaw that the only type of programming is for Work For Other People.

For me at my day job, I find success with Cursor as “fancy autocomplete”. It’s aiding me when I am writing the code. The most code it’ll ever generate is to start on unit tests.

I’ve also used Cursor on the side for little personal hobby projects where I let to go wild in generating the overwhelming majority of code. I can’t say whether it’s faster or not, but it certainly helps reduce and overhead, initial blockers, ir lowering the barrier for myself to make something.

For those who are skeptical or haven’t tried it yet, ignore this article and just go give this new tool a decent try -carefully on your existing code base, and in no-stakes hobby projects - to form your own real opinion.

by madeofpalk

4/2/2025 at 1:37:59 PM

Yep, I also thought that the article is less about personal projects. The list of software development aspects that the author gives includes CI/CD, good documentation, and integration tests — I'd be surprised if a lot of hobby projects out there had these (apart from what's available out of the box for free, e.g. Vercel's automatic deployment from GitHub).

In the boring professional setting though, I can totally relate. The really hard questions I have to answer at work are usually not about code.

For a one-off script or a weekend project, on the other hand, even the current gen AI is a life-changing thing.

by animuchan

4/2/2025 at 12:38:07 PM

> I'd even go as far as saying that you should reject anyone applying for your startup if they claim to have vibe coding experience

I thought vibe coding was just a meme. There are people who put vibe coding on _their resumes_??

by moolcool